Young Brothers kidnapped

[Saleen836]

Guessing they will most likely already be out of the country by now!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53936...

[55palfers]

I wonder why Plod waited a week before going public?

[CourtAgain]

55palfers said:

I wonder why Plod waited a week before going public?

Plod couldn't catch Coronavirus. Also councils and social workers are notorious for incompetence, being tied up in red tape.

Not surprising, I don't agree with the dad's actions, but adoption is a horrible experience. Name changes, loss of identity when can mess some people up for life. He would not legally be allowed to contact them before their 18th birthday, by which time it's too late. They probably went to France and flew from there. Probably his relatives will raise them. No real details of their mother and her whereabouts, so the article is quite one sided.

[amusingduck]

thesun said:

"While we do not believe at this time there is any immediate risk to their physical safety, their location, access to accommodation, healthcare, and other provisions is entirely unknown. We are concerned about the longer term impact of this on all three children."

Does anyone know why his children were in care? I feel quite sympathetic towards him, not sure why.

[JagLover]

CourtAgain said:

Not surprising, I don't agree with the dad's actions, but adoption is a horrible experience. Name changes, loss of identity when can mess some people up for life. He would not legally be allowed to contact them before their 18th birthday, by which time it's too late. They probably went to France and flew from there. Probably his relatives will raise them. No real details of their mother and her whereabouts, so the article is quite one sided.

The article seems to be missing a great deal of information.

If he is a loving father who are the abductors here, him, or the authorities?. Without further information on why he was deemed unsuitable to raise them it is hard to know what to think about this case.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

amusingduck said:

thesun said:

"While we do not believe at this time there is any immediate risk to their physical safety, their location, access to accommodation, healthcare, and other provisions is entirely unknown. We are concerned about the longer term impact of this on all three children."

Does anyone know why his children were in care? I feel quite sympathetic towards him, not sure why.

He probably wrote something non-PC on Twitter

[Zetec-S]

Sounds like a lovely chap...

article said:

Imran Safi, 26, is said to have threatened a foster carer with a knife

[anonymous-user]

55palfers said:

I wonder why Plod waited a week before going public?

If true then he is long gone.

[popegregory]

Zetec-S said:

Sounds like a lovely chap...

article said:

Imran Safi, 26, is said to have threatened a foster carer with a knife

Without wishing to court controversy, that was as part of getting them back. I doubt he saw the foster career as being different to anyone else taking his kids off him.

[anonymous-user]

Social services don't put three kids in foster care for flippant reasons.

They'll always look to house with a suitable family member.

CourtAgain said:

55palfers said:

I wonder why Plod waited a week before going public?

Plod couldn't catch Coronavirus. Also councils and social workers are notorious for incompetence, being tied up in red tape.

Clearly someone with vast experience with kidnap / missing people investigations

Zetec-S said:

Sounds like a lovely chap...

article said:

Imran Safi, 26, is said to have threatened a foster carer with a knife

Indeed.

Mobilecommute said:

55palfers said:

I wonder why Plod waited a week before going public?

If true then he is long gone.

It depends on the specific risks / pros / cons with doing such a thing.

If you 'go public' you're likely to trigger a reaction. That reaction may increase the risk to the children.

That risk may not be worthwhile when the most effective strands of the investigation are still available / live e.g. phone work, ports being informed, ANPR, CCTV and other viable lines of enquiry.

A specialist search adviser will be involved from the off who is obviously going to be considering press releases throughout.

[pquinn]

La Liga said:

Social services don't put three kids in foster care for flippant reasons.

They'll always look to house with a suitable family member.

Except for the occasions where they do something utterly perverse apparently just for the fun of it. Lots of messes run though the Family Court which show social services doing all sorts of stuff which contradicts the cosy rose tinted view.

[anonymous-user]

pquinn said:

La Liga said:

Social services don't put three kids in foster care for flippant reasons.

They'll always look to house with a suitable family member.

Except for the occasions where they do something utterly perverse apparently just for the fun of it. Lots of messes run though the Family Court which show social services doing all sorts of stuff which contradicts the cosy rose tinted view.

I don't think there's a cosy rose-tinted view, but there's no doubt that there are far too few people willing to foster and adopt for the demand.

My experience is they'd do everything they could (which if you think about it could contain criticism) to avoid taking kids away from families.

[JagLover]

La Liga said:

pquinn said:

La Liga said:

Social services don't put three kids in foster care for flippant reasons.

They'll always look to house with a suitable family member.

Except for the occasions where they do something utterly perverse apparently just for the fun of it. Lots of messes run though the Family Court which show social services doing all sorts of stuff which contradicts the cosy rose tinted view.

I don't think there's a cosy rose-tinted view, but there's no doubt that there are far too few people willing to foster and adopt for the demand.

My experience is they'd do everything they could (which if you think about it could contain criticism) to avoid taking kids away from families.

Without knowing the full story it is very hard to judge.

Christopher Booker used to do a regular column detailing what he believed to be injustices in the family courts in regard to taking children from parents.

[Scootersp]

pquinn said:

Except for the occasions where they do something utterly perverse apparently just for the fun of it. Lots of messes run though the Family Court which show social services doing all sorts of stuff which contradicts the cosy rose tinted view.

Indeed, the mother will I'm sure have been provided with support and assistance normally before the kids had to go into care, the Dad in the sidelines is often not afforded the same, certainly it won't be a simple "well mum couldn't manage, Dad's up for it so let's give that a go" . I appreciate lots don't want to take on the role, some are totally unsuitable but some that do are denied the chance outright.

Who knows what has gone on here exactly (little information on the Mum or Dad's history), but in all the manhunt and abduction wording there seems to also be the statement that there is no immediate concern over the children's safety ie reading between the lines he wants to try and look after them rather than them be adopted.......and he's had to have gone rogue to do so.

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

Without knowing the full story it is very hard to judge.

Of course, and it may vary between different authorities.

[BlackLabel]

“ Dad who abducted children from foster home 'smuggled them abroad in back of van'
Imran Safi, 26, is thought to have taken the boys, Bilal, six, Ebrar, five, and Yaseen, three, overseas after receiving support from a network of associates to help him evade capture”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-who-abdu...

[coppernorks]

You know cynical old me, but I doubt this devoted father would have committed himself to law-breaking and kidnap
had he been blessed with three young lovely daughters.