What car if not full BEV? e350de?

[jason61c]

There's a small chance my companies leasing company have completely F*&$ed up my order for a polestar 2. Given there's not anything like it that i'd really want to spend time in, i've been looking around. Having spent a week in a e200d, where it managed a genuine 70mpg over 700miles. I was thinking a e350de might be a good option, it'd be a nice hybrid powertrain, it'd use more fuel with the onboard weight, say 10mpg less over the same journey, however with around double the torque.

So if you weren't going full BEV, what would you go for?

[raspy]

You mean the E300de?

The extra weight with Mercedes PHEVs negatively impacts ride, handling and boot space (when compared to non PHEV versions of the same size car in MB's range)

If you're going to keep the car for a while, I'd strongly recommend the extended warranty from MB. Far too much that can go wrong with MB PHEVs and can be expensive.

Unless you're spending all your time in urban traffic, you'd be better off saving your money and going for a E200d (if good fuel economy is one of your main priorities)

[wassap]

My boss has the outgoing E300 DE, he’s been getting 45mpg on a run, the electric range is poor, around 20. I don’t think the new one will be much better.

At our company, if we move to Hybrid we have claim the mileage back, and as the AFR rates are lower, petrol hybrid is a better option. But for pure MPG you still can’t beat a diesel!

[SWoll]

Hold out and wait for the P2 I would suggest. I'd only consider going back to a car with an ICE engine (even in PHEV etc. form) if I was going to be covering big daily mileages very regularly and with little notice, which I know from previous posts you don't do?

You'll be a lot happier with the P2 IMHO, especially if talking about a 3-4 year commitment to whatever you do choose. I've had a couple of new E classes over the past decade as company cars and whilst good comfortable cruisers they are painfully dull.

Edited by SWoll on Sunday 30th August 09:23

[jason61c]

Yes, sorry. E300de.

It’d be a company lease so depreciation/reliability etc are not a concern. Just basic minimal tax is my only concern.

You’re correct, just holding out for the polestar would make the most sense. I’m hoping a call next week threatening to pull our company contract with them should focus things a little. I’m just preparing for any ‘faff’ which I’ve had enough of.

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

I've got a E300DE estate. 20 miles is worst case pure EV to be honest. My record is from Wapping to down the M3 via the M4 and M25 is 35 miles. Cruising at or above the national limit of diesel only, I get about 50mpg. My average over 5K miles is currently 68mpg....

It does feel heavy at times and can lift its skirt up and go if needed. I find it very comfortable but I've not been in a non PHEV version so can't say if it's worse. There is a lump in the boot, hasn't affected me yet but I'm sure something won't fit one day but that's always the case right?

[CaterBram]

I used to have a C220d , loved the car, good workhorse, averaged around 50mpg over 3 years, swapped to a C350e, had just under 4 years, averaged 56mpg and over half was with the ICE not running. Good solid sport and can certainly shift & handle in Sport+ mode despite the weight.

Just swapped to a C300de estate, already very impressed seems significantly more refined that the C350e, only done around 500 miles so far mainly on electric, today i've done 50 miles, 15 on diesel and 35 on electric (no recharging). the mileage gauge starts showing 23 miles, which is down to the 25% charge level, but will continue down to 10%, the Energy Recovery on the C300de far outstrips the old C350e.

choice between the C300e and C300de is purely down to personal preference based on long motorway journeys.

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

CaterBram said:

choice between the C300e and C300de is purely down to personal preference based on long motorway journeys.

I suspect that will depend on the motorways you're forced to use. In any congested areas the DE will win...driven properly. And that's something I wish Mercedes would document. I suspect for example that when the green regen gauge shows max you're into mechanical braking, but I can't find anything on that at all.

Regen is too weak in my view although with a small (in BEV terms anyway) battery there's going to be a limit. I had an iPace for a long trial and regen on that is like slamming the brakes on. In the DE you have to brake really early not to run off the end of the magic regen gauge.

And as people might guess, regen and sailing is where the range comes from, running the ICE or not.

[CaterBram]

I can confirm that if using the limiter or foot break once the charge gauge is maxed out it does start braking, to get the best recovery i tend to use the limiter rather than foot break, and I find that 45mph seems to be the optimum recovery on most hills.