Official 2020 Italian Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Round 8 and Monza. This will probably be a disaster for Ferrari and its customer teams; Hamilton will win, Verstappen will finish third. It will be interesting to see if Renault can keep up its recent progress. Same tyre compounds as Belgium.
Date(s): Friday 4 September 2020 - Sunday 6 September 2020
UK Broadcast Timings (and local time)
All sessions are live on Sky F1; highlights only on Channel 4:
Live timing for all sessions available here:
https://www.formula1.com/en/f1-live.html
Lap times, PU component use, technical reports and Stewards' decisions for the weekend will appear here:
https://www.fia.com/championship/events/fia-formul...
Weather forecast:
https://www.accuweather.com/en/it/monza/214047/wea...
Tyre options:
2019 Race Result:
2019 race highlights:
https://youtu.be/h-ce3gPMsGc
Date(s): Friday 4 September 2020 - Sunday 6 September 2020
UK Broadcast Timings (and local time)
All sessions are live on Sky F1; highlights only on Channel 4:
Live timing for all sessions available here:
https://www.formula1.com/en/f1-live.html
Lap times, PU component use, technical reports and Stewards' decisions for the weekend will appear here:
https://www.fia.com/championship/events/fia-formul...
Weather forecast:
https://www.accuweather.com/en/it/monza/214047/wea...
Tyre options:
2019 Race Result:
2019 race highlights:
https://youtu.be/h-ce3gPMsGc
Edited by Piginapoke on Friday 4th September 07:14
ash73 said:
Piginapoke said:
Hamilton will win, Verstappen will finish third. It will be interesting to see if Renault can keep up its recent progress.
That's about the size of it, no need for a 50 page thread.Only interesting thing happening is the single engine mode.
It will probably result in Merc actually going faster over the course of an entire race and instead of qualifying 0.5-0.75 of a second faster in qualifying it might be 0.25-0.5 of a second instead.
MB140 said:
Yep pretty much sums it up. Somehow I think this single map will not be the silver bullet there hoping it will be. Merc will just have a higher % of there higher powered race map instead of there ultra banzai 1 lap mode.
It will probably result in Merc actually going faster over the course of an entire race and instead of qualifying 0.5-0.75 of a second faster in qualifying it might be 0.25-0.5 of a second instead.
Whilst I'm not saying you're wrong, if their engine was capable of that you'd have thought they'd be using it like that anyway. After all, qualifying a second ahead of your competition is actually no more useful than qualifying 200ms ahead of them. It will probably result in Merc actually going faster over the course of an entire race and instead of qualifying 0.5-0.75 of a second faster in qualifying it might be 0.25-0.5 of a second instead.
Personally I don't think the change will make the faintest bit of difference to the competitive order or the gaps therein.
Ferrari will be very happy there’s not going to be 100,000 tifosi watching them try to struggle out of Q1.
Worth noting that Renault started 5th and 6th last year, and finished 4th and 5th, in front of both Red Bulls and with only Mercs and cheats in front. Is this Dan Ric’s best shot at a podium all season?
Edit: Max did start at the back last year, after a new engine.
Worth noting that Renault started 5th and 6th last year, and finished 4th and 5th, in front of both Red Bulls and with only Mercs and cheats in front. Is this Dan Ric’s best shot at a podium all season?
Edit: Max did start at the back last year, after a new engine.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Monday 31st August 11:09
MB140 said:
ash73 said:
Piginapoke said:
Hamilton will win, Verstappen will finish third. It will be interesting to see if Renault can keep up its recent progress.
That's about the size of it, no need for a 50 page thread.Only interesting thing happening is the single engine mode.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
If 40 years of watching F1 has taught me one thing, it’s that there’s no forgone conclusions.
Absolutely. Admittedly it’s not like the old days when “anything can happen, and usually does”. The reliability and professionalism of all involved in the sport make it less likely to see huge mistakes from teams or drivers, but they still happen. I mean, we still have Grosjean, and the Ferrari strategy team.
At least we can be certain of one thing. There won’t be a mass walkout by the tifosi.
Race prediction.
Everyone qualifies on the soft though It will only lasts 10 laps in the race.
Everyone comes in for a tyre change to med/hard around lap 10 bar perez as his team tell him he's really good on saving tyres.
His latin american ego agrees with them .
At 45 laps he finally comes in when Latifi overtakes him around the outside going into the parabolica.
Puts on the harder set for the remaining few laps of the race and finishes behind stroll.
Everyone qualifies on the soft though It will only lasts 10 laps in the race.
Everyone comes in for a tyre change to med/hard around lap 10 bar perez as his team tell him he's really good on saving tyres.
His latin american ego agrees with them .
At 45 laps he finally comes in when Latifi overtakes him around the outside going into the parabolica.
Puts on the harder set for the remaining few laps of the race and finishes behind stroll.
SpudLink said:
At least we can be certain of one thing. There won’t be a mass walkout by the tifosi.
Indeed - although there is a possibility of fans at Imola...I do wonder what the general mood is in Maranello this year. Conjures up images of the locals stomping past the factory gates tutting and hissing...They've coped with plenty of heartache over the last decade but I don't think they were expecting their team to be found out for cheating and still not being able to bring a championship trophy home.
Maybe their fans are just taking a couple of years off with their heads in the sand - I honestly can't remember the last Ferrari fan post on these boards since the cheating became obvious.
Piginapoke said:
See how exciting F1 can be when we let Ferrari get away with whatever they want? 
TheDeuce said:
Indeed - although there is a possibility of fans at Imola...
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There'll definitely be a handful ,some don't need to leave their own property to see the track ,especially the family.
with a 2 tier grandstand in their front garden overlooking the Variante Bassa , also there are high rise flats with a view .
Pericoloso said:
TheDeuce said:
Indeed - although there is a possibility of fans at Imola...
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There'll definitely be a handful ,some don't need to leave their own property to see the track ,especially the family.
with a 2 tier grandstand in their front garden overlooking the Variante Bassa , also there are high rise flats with a view .
) few the website suggests they're hoping to sell tickets... Other circuits ahead of then are doing so I hear.Not confirmed yet but the way things are going I think quite a few GP's this season will end up at 50% capacity. No doubt with long queues to get in and temp checking etc etc. Think I'll watch from home this year!
SpudLink said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
If 40 years of watching F1 has taught me one thing, it’s that there’s no forgone conclusions.
Absolutely. Admittedly it’s not like the old days when “anything can happen, and usually does”. The reliability and professionalism of all involved in the sport make it less likely to see huge mistakes from teams or drivers, but they still happen. I mean, we still have Grosjean, and the Ferrari strategy team.
At least we can be certain of one thing. There won’t be a mass walkout by the tifosi.
Exactly, who can forget that forgone conclusion at Hockenheimring last year, Mercedes' home GP in front of all the board, with the best car and a driver who had won the previous 14 wet races in F1.
Oops!
thegreenhell said:
SpudLink said:
At least we can be certain of one thing. There won’t be a mass walkout by the tifosi.
Maybe not this week, but there will be fans at Mugello next week. They will have three grandstands open, including one exclusively for Ferrari supporters club members.It's at times such as these I'm very happy to be an F1 fan, not a team fan.
EDIT: I suppose they will probably have a lot of camaraderie going on. It is their national team and some real passion involved. Guess they'll be happy together even if there isn't very much to be happy about on track.
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 31st August 20:00
TheDeuce said:
It's at times such as these I'm very happy to be an F1 fan, not a team fan.
It's a good point.I used to be a massive Ferrari fan. When Schumacher retired I found that I had a different passion for F1 - I still watch almost every race - but find myself just following the sport and enjoying each race more, especially the mid-field battles. Hamilton - genius... Max - brilliant; akin to Schumacher/Senna. Rosberg - unbelievable in his year, etc...
LaurasOtherHalf said:
SpudLink said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
If 40 years of watching F1 has taught me one thing, it’s that there’s no forgone conclusions.
Absolutely. Admittedly it’s not like the old days when “anything can happen, and usually does”. The reliability and professionalism of all involved in the sport make it less likely to see huge mistakes from teams or drivers, but they still happen. I mean, we still have Grosjean, and the Ferrari strategy team.
At least we can be certain of one thing. There won’t be a mass walkout by the tifosi.
Exactly, who can forget that forgone conclusion at Hockenheimring last year, Mercedes' home GP in front of all the board, with the best car and a driver who had won the previous 14 wet races in F1.
Oops!
vaud said:
TheDeuce said:
It's at times such as these I'm very happy to be an F1 fan, not a team fan.
It's a good point.I used to be a massive Ferrari fan. When Schumacher retired I found that I had a different passion for F1 - I still watch almost every race - but find myself just following the sport and enjoying each race more, especially the mid-field battles. Hamilton - genius... Max - brilliant; akin to Schumacher/Senna. Rosberg - unbelievable in his year, etc...
F1 is pretty much 1/3 racing, 2/3 soap opera. But compared to a normal soap opera there is about £2bn of money floating around. It's a very real thing - if you watch it properly and pay attention to cause and effect that leads to the results we see.
HardtopManual said:
Piginapoke said:
Hamilton will win, Verstappen will finish third
</thread>I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Rosberg.
I do agree to an extent though - although I rate Bottas higher than most in terms of driving ability. I reckon he's consistently nearly as solid as Lewis is consistently slightly better.
Personally I miss Maldonado. No particular reason on merit as a driver, but as a character he had the ability to upset each and every race every bit as much the rain we forever pray for
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