International licence equal to Full UK licence for 12 months
Discussion
We know that for the first 12 months foreign licence is treated as Full UK driving license.
Question is does it also apply to be supervising driver for L board provisional licence holder as well?
The rule says, supervising driver must:
Have had a full driving licence for three years (from countries in the European Union or European Economic Area)
Be qualified to drive the type of vehicle they are supervising in (example - manual car licence)
Since for 12 months foreign license is equal and all class of vehicles can be driven as mentioned in foreign licence, can this holder be supervising driver too for L board?
Question is does it also apply to be supervising driver for L board provisional licence holder as well?
The rule says, supervising driver must:
Have had a full driving licence for three years (from countries in the European Union or European Economic Area)
Be qualified to drive the type of vehicle they are supervising in (example - manual car licence)
Since for 12 months foreign license is equal and all class of vehicles can be driven as mentioned in foreign licence, can this holder be supervising driver too for L board?
legendracer said:
We know that for the first 12 months foreign licence is treated as Full UK driving license.
Question is does it also apply to be supervising driver for L board provisional licence holder as well?
The rule says, supervising driver must:
Have had a full driving licence for three years (from countries in the European Union or European Economic Area)
Be qualified to drive the type of vehicle they are supervising in (example - manual car licence)
Since for 12 months foreign license is equal and all class of vehicles can be driven as mentioned in foreign licence, can this holder be supervising driver too for L board?
No, according to the first line in your quoting of the rules.Question is does it also apply to be supervising driver for L board provisional licence holder as well?
The rule says, supervising driver must:
Have had a full driving licence for three years (from countries in the European Union or European Economic Area)
Be qualified to drive the type of vehicle they are supervising in (example - manual car licence)
Since for 12 months foreign license is equal and all class of vehicles can be driven as mentioned in foreign licence, can this holder be supervising driver too for L board?
legendracer said:
codenamecueball said:
No, according to the first line in your quoting of the rules.
If they say it is equal in first 12 months and if it isn't equal in other measures then that should be said specifically. Otherwise common man would assume so. Stand by any busy roundabout near the car hire depot of any international airport, anywhere in the world, and you will hear the sound of horns being blasted at foreigners who assumed their local driving customs were universal... Imagine if they were teaching people how to drive!
legendracer said:
If they say it is equal in first 12 months and if it isn't equal in other measures then that should be said specifically. Otherwise common man would assume so.
The requirements are criteria the supervisor has to comply with. Not the licence.
The requirement is for them to be qualified to drive the class of vehicle - holding a foreign licence, for the first 12 months, covers that. N.B that doesn't make them a full UK licence holder though.
The requirement is to have held a UK, EU or EEA licence for 3 years - if they haven't, then they don't meet the requirement.
Yes. Exactly. It would take sometime for a foreigner to get accustomed to the local playground. But it is not illegal as per rule.
And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
legendracer said:
Yes. Exactly. It would take sometime for a foreigner to get accustomed to the local playground. But it is not illegal as per rule.
And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
If they are resident here then the visa is irrelevant. And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
legendracer said:
Could you help me with definition of resident. A person who can reset his visa before 12 months isn't a resident. Isn't?
If you live in the UK for 183 days in 12 months you are residentOR
If your only home is in the UK and you owned (Or rented it) for more than 31 days and occupied it for more than 30 you are also resident.
legendracer said:
Yes. Exactly. It would take sometime for a foreigner to get accustomed to the local playground. But it is not illegal as per rule.
And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
If the licence was not acquired 3 years before commencing lessons and not in an EU or EEA country, the holder cannot supervise the lessons. The rule you quoted couldn't make this clearer. And also the foreigner can take provisional licence to save up insurance costs. But foreign licence holds first for 12 months. That's a loophole.
The same foreigner if able to reset his visa every 12 months then it continues for as long as possible. In that case, that foreigner knows about local roads and is good enough to be a supervising driver. Don't you agree.
An insurer will not accept a claim for a driver insured with a provisional licence who was driving without supervision from someone suitable. While that driver can drive as a provisional licence holder with supervision and may also be able to drive without supervision, quite clearly that driver would be driving without insurance in your scenario.
No. The driver may be acquiring a new visa or renewing one but that would carry no relevance as it doesn't alter the date of that driver arriving in the UK and starting to drive in the UK. I can't see how you could interpret any of this any other way
Jimmy Recard said:
If the licence was not acquired 3 years before commencing lessons and not in an EU or EEA country, the holder cannot supervise the lessons. The rule you quoted couldn't make this clearer.
An insurer will not accept a claim for a driver insured with a provisional licence who was driving without supervision from someone suitable. While that driver can drive as a provisional licence holder with supervision and may also be able to drive without supervision, quite clearly that driver would be driving without insurance in your scenario.
No. The driver may be acquiring a new visa or renewing one but that would carry no relevance as it doesn't alter the date of that driver arriving in the UK and starting to drive in the UK. I can't see how you could interpret any of this any other way
For the foreigner it says foreign license is fully equal and valid to UK licence without any don't s and if s. An insurer will not accept a claim for a driver insured with a provisional licence who was driving without supervision from someone suitable. While that driver can drive as a provisional licence holder with supervision and may also be able to drive without supervision, quite clearly that driver would be driving without insurance in your scenario.
No. The driver may be acquiring a new visa or renewing one but that would carry no relevance as it doesn't alter the date of that driver arriving in the UK and starting to drive in the UK. I can't see how you could interpret any of this any other way
But for provisional driver the rule says about supervisor driver.
Question came when it is said only from the POV of provisional driver.
So whose responsibility is it when it comes to supervising. The person who chooses the supervisor or the supervisor himself since supervisor understands himself as fully equal. I don't know what would hold true in court.
Suppose if the foreigner stayed in UK from 2015-2016. And returns in 2020 again for 12 months. Does that mean he has used his 12 months before? That logic cannot work..
Isn't.
legendracer said:
For the foreigner it says foreign license is fully equal and valid to UK licence without any don't s and if s.
But for provisional driver the rule says about supervisor driver.
Question came when it is said only from the POV of provisional driver.
So whose responsibility is it when it comes to supervising. The person who chooses the supervisor or the supervisor himself since supervisor understands himself as fully equal. I don't know what would hold true in court.
Suppose if the foreigner stayed in UK from 2015-2016. And returns in 2020 again for 12 months. Does that mean he has used his 12 months before? That logic cannot work..
Isn't.
But what you're saying doesn't make sense. You found a very specific, clear wording of the rules and then speculate about something that isn't relevant. Whether the licence is valid for driving in the UK in the first year isn't relevant, it's clearly not accepted for supervising a learner, if it wasn't gained 3 years prior in an EU/EEA country. The rule you found could not make this clearer. I don't know the rules myself so I'm using my comprehension and your sources, that's a caveat here. But for provisional driver the rule says about supervisor driver.
Question came when it is said only from the POV of provisional driver.
So whose responsibility is it when it comes to supervising. The person who chooses the supervisor or the supervisor himself since supervisor understands himself as fully equal. I don't know what would hold true in court.
Suppose if the foreigner stayed in UK from 2015-2016. And returns in 2020 again for 12 months. Does that mean he has used his 12 months before? That logic cannot work..
Isn't.
What responsibility concerns you here? Do you mean you wonder if the person at fault (if caught) would be learner or supervisor?
Before I consider addressing anything else here, it's important to know something. Are you asking because it's of practical use to you or for idle musing?
Jimmy Recard said:
But what you're saying doesn't make sense. You found a very specific, clear wording of the rules and then speculate about something that isn't relevant. Whether the licence is valid for driving in the UK in the first year isn't relevant, it's clearly not accepted for supervising a learner, if it wasn't gained 3 years prior in an EU/EEA country. The rule you found could not make this clearer. I don't know the rules myself so I'm using my comprehension and your sources, that's a caveat here.
What responsibility concerns you here? Do you mean you wonder if the person at fault (if caught) would be learner or supervisor?
Before I consider addressing anything else here, it's important to know something. Are you asking because it's of practical use to you or for idle musing?
If supervising with non EU/EEA foreign license and caught... What all could go wrong. Who is at fault. What responsibility concerns you here? Do you mean you wonder if the person at fault (if caught) would be learner or supervisor?
Before I consider addressing anything else here, it's important to know something. Are you asking because it's of practical use to you or for idle musing?
legendracer said:
If supervising with non EU/EEA foreign license and caught... What all could go wrong. Who is at fault.
For the "Supervisor" almost certainly nothing, certain inchoate offences are usually ignored. Driver is at fault 3-6 points and possibly no insurance which can be more serious. They may be prevented from getting a full licence for a while as well. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff