Reporting someone to HMRC
Discussion
First off, I've never dobbed anyone in it, ever.
But I'm now considering it.
I googled it and found that you can anonymously tip off the HMRC if you suspect someone isn't paying their fair share of taxes. Has anyone ever done this?
Let me paint a boring picture;
A friend of my young daughter's who we have become acquainted with through school (I wouldn't say we were friends) leads a lavish lifestyle. The wife of this couple spends much of her day riding her horse, paying extortionate amounts for decorators to come in or just making big purchases. We know this, because she doesn't half like to gloat.
Latest things she has reeled off on school runs or social media-
£9,000 new kitchen
£4,000 new kennel for the dogs
'18 plate BMW X5 (although, strangely, she didn't point out how much this cost her)
The icing on the cake-
A £15,000 pony for their daughter.
Paid for...in cash
I have my suspicions that someone driving a van to deliver meat 5 days a week probably isn't earning upwards of £100k per year - or could they be? Do the rest of us work 40+ hour weeks for our average salary like chumps and is the meat business actually incredibly lucrative? Perhaps I should give up the office job and get myself a refrigerated van...
What gets to me is not their tax affairs per se, but rather the constant showing off and being so blatant with it. Nuggets such as -
"My husband works so hard, but if you loved your daughter it's what you would do" (after having purchased said pony).
Why would she say this to me, a father of a daughter of the same age working hard already and clearly not anywhere near as well off? I just ignored it at the time but it's stuck with me and boiled my p*ss a bit.
Then the other day I got a revised tax code in the post because HMRC still thought I was receiving a health insurance benefit through work, which I never used so have since cancelled. It's a 10 minute faff to sort out online so I don't end up paying an extra 600-odd quid in tax this year. It dawned on me that such trivialities don't affect the man up the road in his meat van.
So on one hand I don't want to be a snitch, but on the other I feel like a mug, driving a cr*ppy hybrid company car to keep my own tax liabilities down, having had no increase in my own wages for almost 3 years now, yet working harder than I probably was 3 years ago.
Is it a case of live-and-let-live, stop being envious of their lifestyle and simply ignore the constant showing off? Or do I fill out the HMRC form and then potentially live with the guilt if their future finances cause them real issues? I would have to keep that secret with me!
From a devils' advocate perspective for just a moment, say he genuinely is harvesting the meat from the finest cows and pigs in the country and selling them at top price to the poshest restaurants in London and the South East, the HMRC won't find anything untoward and won't pursue him anyway. They wouldn't be aware why the HMRC had suddenly started sniffing around or suspect they had been "snitched on" would they? Anyone splashing that much cash and posting it up on Facebook could catch the attention of "the tax man" anyway!
Furthermore, we know them well enough to know that they haven't just received a big windfall through either inheritance or prize money...
But I'm now considering it.
I googled it and found that you can anonymously tip off the HMRC if you suspect someone isn't paying their fair share of taxes. Has anyone ever done this?
Let me paint a boring picture;
A friend of my young daughter's who we have become acquainted with through school (I wouldn't say we were friends) leads a lavish lifestyle. The wife of this couple spends much of her day riding her horse, paying extortionate amounts for decorators to come in or just making big purchases. We know this, because she doesn't half like to gloat.
Latest things she has reeled off on school runs or social media-
£9,000 new kitchen
£4,000 new kennel for the dogs
'18 plate BMW X5 (although, strangely, she didn't point out how much this cost her)
The icing on the cake-
A £15,000 pony for their daughter.
Paid for...in cash
I have my suspicions that someone driving a van to deliver meat 5 days a week probably isn't earning upwards of £100k per year - or could they be? Do the rest of us work 40+ hour weeks for our average salary like chumps and is the meat business actually incredibly lucrative? Perhaps I should give up the office job and get myself a refrigerated van...
What gets to me is not their tax affairs per se, but rather the constant showing off and being so blatant with it. Nuggets such as -
"My husband works so hard, but if you loved your daughter it's what you would do" (after having purchased said pony).
Why would she say this to me, a father of a daughter of the same age working hard already and clearly not anywhere near as well off? I just ignored it at the time but it's stuck with me and boiled my p*ss a bit.
Then the other day I got a revised tax code in the post because HMRC still thought I was receiving a health insurance benefit through work, which I never used so have since cancelled. It's a 10 minute faff to sort out online so I don't end up paying an extra 600-odd quid in tax this year. It dawned on me that such trivialities don't affect the man up the road in his meat van.
So on one hand I don't want to be a snitch, but on the other I feel like a mug, driving a cr*ppy hybrid company car to keep my own tax liabilities down, having had no increase in my own wages for almost 3 years now, yet working harder than I probably was 3 years ago.
Is it a case of live-and-let-live, stop being envious of their lifestyle and simply ignore the constant showing off? Or do I fill out the HMRC form and then potentially live with the guilt if their future finances cause them real issues? I would have to keep that secret with me!
From a devils' advocate perspective for just a moment, say he genuinely is harvesting the meat from the finest cows and pigs in the country and selling them at top price to the poshest restaurants in London and the South East, the HMRC won't find anything untoward and won't pursue him anyway. They wouldn't be aware why the HMRC had suddenly started sniffing around or suspect they had been "snitched on" would they? Anyone splashing that much cash and posting it up on Facebook could catch the attention of "the tax man" anyway!
Furthermore, we know them well enough to know that they haven't just received a big windfall through either inheritance or prize money...
Maybe it's not meat they are delivering but something bit more exotic.
I used to encounter a lot of people in my old employment whose occupation simply didn't add up with the lifestyle they led. I mean they would have jobs paying maximum 20k per annum but have the fancy watches, flash cars on finance, new build rental properties at £2.5k a month etc.
In saying that you can't always judge a book by it's cover, a lot of people hustle online on the sly selling everything from candles to photos of their minge on onlyfans, everything has a price these days.
I used to encounter a lot of people in my old employment whose occupation simply didn't add up with the lifestyle they led. I mean they would have jobs paying maximum 20k per annum but have the fancy watches, flash cars on finance, new build rental properties at £2.5k a month etc.
In saying that you can't always judge a book by it's cover, a lot of people hustle online on the sly selling everything from candles to photos of their minge on onlyfans, everything has a price these days.
When you say paying ''cash'' do you mean literally handing over 5 figure sums of reddies or do you mean cash in the sense of paying upfront and not with any form of credit?
I'd certainly report them if their spending and lifestyle vs income is as out of whack as you indicate then it's surely likely to be more than just tax evasion and probably some kind of illegal activity such as money laundering or drug dealing.
I'd certainly report them if their spending and lifestyle vs income is as out of whack as you indicate then it's surely likely to be more than just tax evasion and probably some kind of illegal activity such as money laundering or drug dealing.
Edited by mike74 on Thursday 10th September 05:26
Well he probably has a limited company, and let's see how much one of those can make right now.
If he has a building, 10k no repayment.
50k business loans with no intentions of paying it off, liquidate and restart. Right now if a business needed cash, wasnt that hard.
Plus mostly all of those things will be on finance. Do a HPI on his reg if it makes you feel less jealous. £15000 for a pony? Mmm nope. Exaggerated to look big, my partners cost about £1500 and is a cracker.
Personally opinion. Good luck to him and well done for getting on.
If he has a building, 10k no repayment.
50k business loans with no intentions of paying it off, liquidate and restart. Right now if a business needed cash, wasnt that hard.
Plus mostly all of those things will be on finance. Do a HPI on his reg if it makes you feel less jealous. £15000 for a pony? Mmm nope. Exaggerated to look big, my partners cost about £1500 and is a cracker.
Personally opinion. Good luck to him and well done for getting on.
Edited by hotchy on Thursday 10th September 07:19
C.A.R. said:
First off, I've never dobbed anyone in it, ever.
But I'm now considering it.
I googled it and found that you can anonymously tip off the HMRC if you suspect someone isn't paying their fair share of taxes. Has anyone ever done this?
Let me paint a boring picture;
A friend of my young daughter's who we have become acquainted with through school (I wouldn't say we were friends) leads a lavish lifestyle. The wife of this couple spends much of her day riding her horse, paying extortionate amounts for decorators to come in or just making big purchases. We know this, because she doesn't half like to gloat.
Latest things she has reeled off on school runs or social media-
£9,000 new kitchen
£4,000 new kennel for the dogs
'18 plate BMW X5 (although, strangely, she didn't point out how much this cost her)
The icing on the cake-
A £15,000 pony for their daughter.
Paid for...in cash
I have my suspicions that someone driving a van to deliver meat 5 days a week probably isn't earning upwards of £100k per year - or could they be? Do the rest of us work 40+ hour weeks for our average salary like chumps and is the meat business actually incredibly lucrative? Perhaps I should give up the office job and get myself a refrigerated van...
What gets to me is not their tax affairs per se, but rather the constant showing off and being so blatant with it. Nuggets such as -
"My husband works so hard, but if you loved your daughter it's what you would do" (after having purchased said pony).
Why would she say this to me, a father of a daughter of the same age working hard already and clearly not anywhere near as well off? I just ignored it at the time but it's stuck with me and boiled my p*ss a bit.
Then the other day I got a revised tax code in the post because HMRC still thought I was receiving a health insurance benefit through work, which I never used so have since cancelled. It's a 10 minute faff to sort out online so I don't end up paying an extra 600-odd quid in tax this year. It dawned on me that such trivialities don't affect the man up the road in his meat van.
So on one hand I don't want to be a snitch, but on the other I feel like a mug, driving a cr*ppy hybrid company car to keep my own tax liabilities down, having had no increase in my own wages for almost 3 years now, yet working harder than I probably was 3 years ago.
Is it a case of live-and-let-live, stop being envious of their lifestyle and simply ignore the constant showing off? Or do I fill out the HMRC form and then potentially live with the guilt if their future finances cause them real issues? I would have to keep that secret with me!
From a devils' advocate perspective for just a moment, say he genuinely is harvesting the meat from the finest cows and pigs in the country and selling them at top price to the poshest restaurants in London and the South East, the HMRC won't find anything untoward and won't pursue him anyway. They wouldn't be aware why the HMRC had suddenly started sniffing around or suspect they had been "snitched on" would they? Anyone splashing that much cash and posting it up on Facebook could catch the attention of "the tax man" anyway!
Furthermore, we know them well enough to know that they haven't just received a big windfall through either inheritance or prize money...
You want to report them?But I'm now considering it.
I googled it and found that you can anonymously tip off the HMRC if you suspect someone isn't paying their fair share of taxes. Has anyone ever done this?
Let me paint a boring picture;
A friend of my young daughter's who we have become acquainted with through school (I wouldn't say we were friends) leads a lavish lifestyle. The wife of this couple spends much of her day riding her horse, paying extortionate amounts for decorators to come in or just making big purchases. We know this, because she doesn't half like to gloat.
Latest things she has reeled off on school runs or social media-
£9,000 new kitchen
£4,000 new kennel for the dogs
'18 plate BMW X5 (although, strangely, she didn't point out how much this cost her)
The icing on the cake-
A £15,000 pony for their daughter.
Paid for...in cash
I have my suspicions that someone driving a van to deliver meat 5 days a week probably isn't earning upwards of £100k per year - or could they be? Do the rest of us work 40+ hour weeks for our average salary like chumps and is the meat business actually incredibly lucrative? Perhaps I should give up the office job and get myself a refrigerated van...
What gets to me is not their tax affairs per se, but rather the constant showing off and being so blatant with it. Nuggets such as -
"My husband works so hard, but if you loved your daughter it's what you would do" (after having purchased said pony).
Why would she say this to me, a father of a daughter of the same age working hard already and clearly not anywhere near as well off? I just ignored it at the time but it's stuck with me and boiled my p*ss a bit.
Then the other day I got a revised tax code in the post because HMRC still thought I was receiving a health insurance benefit through work, which I never used so have since cancelled. It's a 10 minute faff to sort out online so I don't end up paying an extra 600-odd quid in tax this year. It dawned on me that such trivialities don't affect the man up the road in his meat van.
So on one hand I don't want to be a snitch, but on the other I feel like a mug, driving a cr*ppy hybrid company car to keep my own tax liabilities down, having had no increase in my own wages for almost 3 years now, yet working harder than I probably was 3 years ago.
Is it a case of live-and-let-live, stop being envious of their lifestyle and simply ignore the constant showing off? Or do I fill out the HMRC form and then potentially live with the guilt if their future finances cause them real issues? I would have to keep that secret with me!
From a devils' advocate perspective for just a moment, say he genuinely is harvesting the meat from the finest cows and pigs in the country and selling them at top price to the poshest restaurants in London and the South East, the HMRC won't find anything untoward and won't pursue him anyway. They wouldn't be aware why the HMRC had suddenly started sniffing around or suspect they had been "snitched on" would they? Anyone splashing that much cash and posting it up on Facebook could catch the attention of "the tax man" anyway!
Furthermore, we know them well enough to know that they haven't just received a big windfall through either inheritance or prize money...
Then, report them!
Earlier this year, I received a financial gift. All completely legal and above board, a friend came into a large sum of money and wanted to share some of that with me. His only stipulation was, please actually buy something with it, don't just stick it in the bank.
I'm solvent, don't owe anything to anyone, and so as a result, I now have a DB9 on my drive. Along with all the cars I already owned. My neighbours all seem to love it and seem very pleased for me. Hopefully they won't think they need to report me to HMRC.
I'm solvent, don't owe anything to anyone, and so as a result, I now have a DB9 on my drive. Along with all the cars I already owned. My neighbours all seem to love it and seem very pleased for me. Hopefully they won't think they need to report me to HMRC.
CAPP0 said:
Earlier this year, I received a financial gift. All completely legal and above board, a friend came into a large sum of money and wanted to share some of that with me. His only stipulation was, please actually buy something with it, don't just stick it in the bank.
I'm solvent, don't owe anything to anyone, and so as a result, I now have a DB9 on my drive. Along with all the cars I already owned. My neighbours all seem to love it and seem very pleased for me. Hopefully they won't think they need to report me to HMRC.
There's a difference between a one off spend, and a complete lifestyle outside the scope of their earnings.I'm solvent, don't owe anything to anyone, and so as a result, I now have a DB9 on my drive. Along with all the cars I already owned. My neighbours all seem to love it and seem very pleased for me. Hopefully they won't think they need to report me to HMRC.
You got a nice car. But you presumably have the same house, wear the same clothes, and do the same things. Just with a nice car.
If you'd moved to a mansion, started wearing gucci everything, and taken up flying a private jet to holiday destinations every weekend...people might start to ponder what's going on.
OP if it looks dodgy, report it. Then forget about it.
, life your own life FFS. Same for anyone else who "dobs people in" for anything at all.A van driver pay spread is massive, depending on what tickets they have and how much their employers value them. Can tot up with a bit of overtime.
A meat trader that supplies quality can probably earn quite nicely.
Kennel cost is probably BS, kitchen and X5 on tick, and monthlies probably less than depreciation if mileage is kept low. £15k will get you a very nice competitive event horse. As above, it was probably a tenth of that or less. Did they even buy it or is it on loan?
Tracker or paid off mortgage could be very cheap, so they might have a fair bit of disposable wedge on relatively normal salary.
Maybe the X5 is DLA funded....
A meat trader that supplies quality can probably earn quite nicely.
Kennel cost is probably BS, kitchen and X5 on tick, and monthlies probably less than depreciation if mileage is kept low. £15k will get you a very nice competitive event horse. As above, it was probably a tenth of that or less. Did they even buy it or is it on loan?
Tracker or paid off mortgage could be very cheap, so they might have a fair bit of disposable wedge on relatively normal salary.
Maybe the X5 is DLA funded....
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