Perez - karma caught up with him
Perez - karma caught up with him
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rallycross

Original Poster:

13,579 posts

253 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Perez how did he keep that seat for 7 years?
The number of needless accidents he caused with team mates must rank higher than in any other driver before, especially when he was paired with Ocon.

Spa 2020 and he was still up to those knuckle head manoeuvres when it looked like he was going to push Ocon into the old pit wall on the run up to eau rouge - That’s his Karma catching up on him getting booted out the team with no pre warning.

TheDeuce

29,024 posts

82 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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No pre-warning? I could have sworn we were discussing the possibility on here for the last several months. Maybe he should log in more often smile

As for the rest of it, I imagine he was just being the F1 driver he could be. I have no doubt he stayed awake at night sometimes and dug deep to find improvement - including how best to prove he is a dominant driver, same as any other driver or in fact anyone doing anything they care about and wish to continue doing. He just wasn't amazing in the end... Granted, it has been a long time and little to write home about.

50/50 he'll find a new drive. Frankly Haas could use ejecting a driver at this point purely to remind people they're still serious about trying to improve. Haas seems best bet.

PaulWoof

1,692 posts

171 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Ironically if we are talking needless accidents with team mates, the only person who can rival him is the driver replacing him. Add into that vettel has the integrity of Pinocchio, in comparison perez isnt too bad or at least not the worst.

jb2410

424 posts

127 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Not sorry to see him go. I have never warmed to him as a driver to be honest (I am sure he’s not worried), he’s always seemed a bit of a liability wheel to wheel and frustrated me no end at times watching him ignore blue flags, just generally comes across as unsporting to me.

Yes he can manage a set of tyres but beyond that, good riddance.

//j17

4,764 posts

239 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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TheDeuce said:
50/50 he'll find a new drive. Frankly Haas could use ejecting a driver at this point purely to remind people they're still serious about trying to improve. Haas seems best bet.
Yep, probably for Grosjean who's never been especially good but was at least a little quicker/less crashy than Magnussen...in previous years. This year Magnussen seems to have been both significantly quicker than Grosjean and also less of a moving accident.

Either that or maybe replacing Latifi at Williams? Hasn't really shone in the same way as Russel and there should be a bit more money sitting in the Williams bank account now.

WickerBill

905 posts

64 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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he put his job at risk and saved hundreds of jobs......not sure how this is karma.

sure hes had some on track incidents, but havent all drivers?

Thats not to say i think Perez should have kept his drive, Vettel is a smart move for Aston and think he will be a good match for the team

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

97 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Stroll Snr is paying a lot of people to come on forums to talk bks about Perez.

I wish I had his wallet.

grassomaniac

259 posts

178 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I'm a bit surprised by this thread too and I'm no fan of his (he did seem to take umbrage with Ocon and could be petulant at times), but karma? As WickerBill said, he saved that team by forcing administration which let Lawrence Stroll buy them.

rallycross

Original Poster:

13,579 posts

253 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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WickerBill said:
he put his job at risk and saved hundreds of jobs......not sure how this is karma.
Thats a good point, his sponsor and court action saved the team when the last team owner was running them into a position where they would have gone bust (pre anything to do with the Stroll family and AM).

Derek Smith

47,768 posts

264 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I'm not sure why I should 'warm' to any driver to appreciate their skill. He's had, and caused, enough accidents, but then so did Hunt and no one seemed to hold that against him after he became WDC. (Other accident-prone drivers are available.)

Perez has improved no end of late and I doubt he'd have done a worse job than Vettel, and for considerably less pay.

Vettel might bring sponsors and TV coverage, especially if he gets back to his old level of performance, but will he bring more points? But then, it's not my money.

TwentyFive

359 posts

82 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I don't think Karma has anything to do with it and I don't think it is remotely deserved either.

Over the past 7 years Perez has consistently been the main points scorer for the team and they have him to thank for a big haul of points, prize money and the odd podium. He was also the reason that people at the race team still have their jobs. He made a bold choice and good for him as it helped the team survive.

Sure he had issues with Ocon, but I think they were just as bad as each other to be honest. It wasn't a Perez centric issue, more a young charger in Ocon trying to put a marker on the established guy in Sergio who wouldn't budge and they met in the middle too often. To my mind the team didn't manage that well enough at the time.

The reality is that loyalty doesn't count for much in F1 and they have decided to go a different way which is fair enough. I can see the Vettel attraction for a brand like Aston Martin and they made their choice. It has nothing to do with Karma... its business.

Whether Perez would have been better with Vettel than Stroll is open to debate but Lance has improved a lot this year and is sitting 4th in the championship. When you consider this, and the fact that his father owns the team, I don't think Sergio can be particularly shocked about being dumped despite having a 3 year deal in his pocket.

Times change, and I am sure the $9m pay off will soften the blow.


carl_w

9,920 posts

274 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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uptheraidillon said:
I don't see what Perez did to deserve a surprise exit of contract.

RP was looking for something Vettel has that Perez doesn't ?
A 4x WDC presumably, with all of the experience, fan base and T-shirt sales that come with it.

bolidemichael

16,608 posts

217 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Perez is a great little racer; it's a shame that it's him and not Stroll.

BTW, has anyone noticed the similarities between Stroll and the Incredible Hulk?


anonymous-user

70 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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rallycross said:
Perez how did he keep that seat for 7 years?
The number of needless accidents he caused with team mates must rank higher than in any other driver before, especially when he was paired with Ocon.

Spa 2020 and he was still up to those knuckle head manoeuvres when it looked like he was going to push Ocon into the old pit wall on the run up to eau rouge - That’s his Karma catching up on him getting booted out the team with no pre warning.
You n$$d to ask how h$ k$pt th$ s$at?

And he didn’t save the team, his action put it into administration which enabled a rescue that may have happened in any case.

rallycross

Original Poster:

13,579 posts

253 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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bolidemichael said:
BTW, has anyone noticed the similarities between Stroll and the Incredible Hulk?

Yes you're not the first to think that!

Jasandjules

71,202 posts

245 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Well, um, ooops.

jb2410

424 posts

127 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Derek Smith said:
I'm not sure why I should 'warm' to any driver to appreciate their skill.
I’m not sure I said you should. I didn’t say he wasn’t quick or without talent. He is just, purely in my own opinion, prone to acting on track in a way that I find frustrating and unsportsmanlike or even dangerous at times.

He’s clearly not without talent nor is he the only one on the grid to behave in that way, far from it, but for me his history of behaviour on track means if he were to leave f1 he is not a driver I would miss.

wibble cb

3,943 posts

223 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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//j17 said:
TheDeuce said:
50/50 he'll find a new drive. Frankly Haas could use ejecting a driver at this point purely to remind people they're still serious about trying to improve. Haas seems best bet.
Yep, probably for Grosjean who's never been especially good but was at least a little quicker/less crashy than Magnussen...in previous years. This year Magnussen seems to have been both significantly quicker than Grosjean and also less of a moving accident.

Either that or maybe replacing Latifi at Williams? Hasn't really shone in the same way as Russel and there should be a bit more money sitting in the Williams bank account now.
I must have missed the bit where Grojean was considered less of a liability than Magnessen, didn’t Grojean manage to crash in a pit lane, on his own ( among many memorable carbon fibre recycling incidents)...can you imagine him talking to an insurance company, any accidents in the last 5 years, where do you start??

MB140

4,679 posts

119 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I’m sure Perez won’t struggle to find a drive. Isn’t he backed by the guy who owns America Mobil, who owns part of Telmex amongst other things. 12 richest man in the world according to Forbes 2020 list, compared to Stroll at number 804.

I’m sure Hass/Williams or another team will happily take the money he brings.

Personally I’d like to see the back of Latifi, he’s been throughly tranced by Russell this year and doesn’t seem up to much. It would be good for Russel to have someone with Perez experience in the team to help develop the car.

anonymous-user

70 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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MB140 said:
I’m sure Perez won’t struggle to find a drive. Isn’t he backed by the guy who owns America Mobil, who owns part of Telmex amongst other things. 12 richest man in the world according to Forbes 2020 list, compared to Stroll at number 804.

I’m sure Hass/Williams or another team will happily take the money he brings.

Personally I’d like to see the back of Latifi, he’s been throughly tranced by Russell this year and doesn’t seem up to much. It would be good for Russel to have someone with Perez experience in the team to help develop the car.
I’m sure they would take his money but he’s said he’s not taking it to a project that won’t 100% motivate him, which seems to mean he won’t be taking it to a team to just roll around at the back. Maybe he’ll change his mind if he finds that’s all there is. If his backers stay with him.