CVs - Does anyone else hate them?
Discussion
Absolutely,
Created a CV a few months ago,
Sat down with my ex (high in HR) who had just landed a new job/employer and we went through her CV & mirrored her format etc to create mine ... perfect,
Sat down with my employers CV interview / training one to one last week (being made redundant soon) for the lady to rip my CV apart .... "Oooh no we don't word or format a CV like that now"
I bit my tongue into tatters as I just wanted to say ... "It's been written by someone who does job interview and applicant selection daily"
Good luck to all
Created a CV a few months ago,
Sat down with my ex (high in HR) who had just landed a new job/employer and we went through her CV & mirrored her format etc to create mine ... perfect,
Sat down with my employers CV interview / training one to one last week (being made redundant soon) for the lady to rip my CV apart .... "Oooh no we don't word or format a CV like that now"
I bit my tongue into tatters as I just wanted to say ... "It's been written by someone who does job interview and applicant selection daily"
Good luck to all
Work in the NHS, application form is the only method of applying and shortlisting. Amazing how many people just send in a generic CV but I treat it as an aptitude test that they immediately fail. Not had any innovative ones yet - heard a story that someone had sent a chocolate brownie with a QR code inside it which led to their website.
CV's = Tissue of lies. Hyped up rubbish. All past experience / job descriptions suggest that the person was Alan Suger making £1M deals. Im surprised that company let the person go.
LinkedIn = Online version of hyped rubbish. Pretend work related happiness. Eveyone seems overly motivated and more cheesy than Brie.
Trouble is, you have have both nowadays :-(
sbk1972 said:
LinkedIn = Online version of hyped rubbish. Pretend work related happiness. Eveyone seems overly motivated and more cheesy than Brie.
I deleted linkedin years ago, too many unsolicited interview and 'chat' offers, had a string of them were they didn't have budget to hire me, recruiters just seem to live in cloud cuckoo land, offering me 20k when im on double that and thinking i'll accept coz im clearly lying about not being on minimum wage coz having the correct qualifications and 20 years of experience means nothing, or even more irritating deflecting the question of salary for the role entirely...
Just seemed to wanted to waste my time with a chat.
Worse is the online forms of constant bulls
t. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....
My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
t. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
crofty1984 said:
Worse is the online forms of constant bullst. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....
My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
Im just just in the process of applying for a job, filled in the online form, got to the end, cant proceed without uploading a CV.. but ive just filled everything in on the form. I was tempted to upload a CAD drawing of my house but refrained myself, im a draughtsman and its a draughtsman job.t. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
crofty1984 said:
Worse is the online forms of constant bullst. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....
My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
I trust you highlighted she only got the interview due to others giving up and not because she was a skilled and generally wonderful candidate?? t. At least with a CV you can have a master version and tailor it for particular applications. But to then have to laboriously do it all again, plus questions that should be asked in an interview, plus add every individual qualification, plus fking dog's name....My wife's just had to do one. Got an interview, presumably because most other people gave up halfway through.
Foliage said:
I have an irrational hate of CVs, writing one just makes me cringe, just reading the cheesey bullst on a CV makes me wanna rip my eyes out, the buzzwords, the bullst.
Anyone else?
Yes! But then these are the poorly constructed ones.t on a CV makes me wanna rip my eyes out, the buzzwords, the bullst. Anyone else?
Edited by Foliage on Friday 11th September 13:59
A great CV is simply a statement outlining how you can do the job advertised and why you’d enjoy doing it; no more than that.
I was shortlisting only yesterday for a very senior role, and I was astonished at how poor most of the applications were, most overloaded with the rubbish you allude to, majoring on how well they did their last jobs. Many were also very generic, with little or no effort to make bespoke for that particular role. Not hard to imagine that the same CV was being submitted for a number of other roles.
Those that were shortlisted were the ones who described how well they could do the job that they were applying for and in the fewest of words.
Bunch of moaning of tossers on here. No wonder everyone became a Director of their own IT consultancy, no one else will hire.
It’s just a process. Not even particular complex.
Recruitment is only about trying to predict success in the role, and 30-40% of the time its wrong. Nothing in the last 20 years has changed that.
I have to read a lot of cvs for jobs in the IT sector. I’m ooking for engineers, with experience and quals. The number of people, that state they lead teams that deliver results is unreal. Don’t give a fek mate, tell me about your IT achievements, what did you actually deliver, not what your old team did, I’m not hiring them, am I?
Also the number of ex military that that think that their leadership is going to get them a role in the outside world. Half the navy seem to think they’ve personally delivered the new carrier.... despite only being in for 6 years as a junior rateing and then giving up and expecting 55-60k in IT role.
Also the number of ex military that that think that their leadership is going to get them a role in the outside world. Half the navy seem to think they’ve personally delivered the new carrier.... despite only being in for 6 years as a junior rateing and then giving up and expecting 55-60k in IT role.
Recruitment is not what it used to be, it used to be a service, an agency would ring you, talk to you, try and suss out if you are a fit. Then take you with them. Now it is about pushing as much as possible onto the employee
Now, you get cold called endlessly by people who dont know what they are talking about (the amount of time I have had to explain things to agency staff who are trying to get me work is pathetic I am talking even basics). You get everything sent to you, have to register at numerous places, do your own references, DBS tests, send in pictures, passports etc. Agencies literally do nothing more then sit there, receive data and do admin, they do nothing else.
CV's are not looked at they are put through the keyword mincer and if you happen to have got it right you get a call from an office junior. Who might pass you onto their account manager later and will send you an email with their details, (they never do)
If you get the job, woe betide you email the person who got you it, he/she has moved on, if you do you will get a snotty reply to contact someone else you are "processed by someone who doesn't want to talk to you by her tone, who wishes you would go away with your salary enquiry so she can go back to cold calling Romanians about min wage jobs that put people like me on the breadline.
I have even dealt with agencies who are so tight they put their entire post contract admin into Poland, so not only are you dealing with people you have never dealt with before you get the language barrier thing too.
This is supposed to be a service to the employer ad employee, it is not much more than legalised trafficking at times sorry.
Now, you get cold called endlessly by people who dont know what they are talking about (the amount of time I have had to explain things to agency staff who are trying to get me work is pathetic I am talking even basics). You get everything sent to you, have to register at numerous places, do your own references, DBS tests, send in pictures, passports etc. Agencies literally do nothing more then sit there, receive data and do admin, they do nothing else.
CV's are not looked at they are put through the keyword mincer and if you happen to have got it right you get a call from an office junior. Who might pass you onto their account manager later and will send you an email with their details, (they never do)
If you get the job, woe betide you email the person who got you it, he/she has moved on, if you do you will get a snotty reply to contact someone else you are "processed by someone who doesn't want to talk to you by her tone, who wishes you would go away with your salary enquiry so she can go back to cold calling Romanians about min wage jobs that put people like me on the breadline.
I have even dealt with agencies who are so tight they put their entire post contract admin into Poland, so not only are you dealing with people you have never dealt with before you get the language barrier thing too.
This is supposed to be a service to the employer ad employee, it is not much more than legalised trafficking at times sorry.
T6 vanman said:
Absolutely,
Created a CV a few months ago,
Sat down with my ex (high in HR) who had just landed a new job/employer and we went through her CV & mirrored her format etc to create mine ... perfect,
Sat down with my employers CV interview / training one to one last week (being made redundant soon) for the lady to rip my CV apart .... "Oooh no we don't word or format a CV like that now"
I bit my tongue into tatters as I just wanted to say ... "It's been written by someone who does job interview and applicant selection daily"
Good luck to all
Surely you should write your own cv? If I heard your potential response I wouldn’t be too keen...Created a CV a few months ago,
Sat down with my ex (high in HR) who had just landed a new job/employer and we went through her CV & mirrored her format etc to create mine ... perfect,
Sat down with my employers CV interview / training one to one last week (being made redundant soon) for the lady to rip my CV apart .... "Oooh no we don't word or format a CV like that now"
I bit my tongue into tatters as I just wanted to say ... "It's been written by someone who does job interview and applicant selection daily"
Good luck to all
Foliage said:
I have an irrational hate of CVs, writing one just makes me cringe, just reading the cheesey bullst on a CV makes me wanna rip my eyes out, the buzzwords, the bullst.
Anyone else?
The ones in my business tend to be a single side of A4 listing relevant experience, degree, and possibly a few words on outside interests or achievements such as “enjoy competitive sailing.”t on a CV makes me wanna rip my eyes out, the buzzwords, the bullst. Anyone else?
Edited by Foliage on Friday 11th September 13:59
Very little waffle or room for self-aggrandisement.
TTmonkey said:
I have to read a lot of cvs for jobs in the IT sector. I’m ooking for engineers, with experience and quals. The number of people, that state they lead teams that deliver results is unreal. Don’t give a fek mate, tell me about your IT achievements, what did you actually deliver, not what your old team did, I’m not hiring them, am I?
Also the number of ex military that that think that their leadership is going to get them a role in the outside world. Half the navy seem to think they’ve personally delivered the new carrier.... despite only being in for 6 years as a junior rateing and then giving up and expecting 55-60k in IT role.
Why would you be hiring engineers if you work in IT, are you needing to construct a bridge to the office or the like?Also the number of ex military that that think that their leadership is going to get them a role in the outside world. Half the navy seem to think they’ve personally delivered the new carrier.... despite only being in for 6 years as a junior rateing and then giving up and expecting 55-60k in IT role.
I don’t see what business it is of a employer to have any idea of what your outside work interests are, if you where in the EDL you wouldn’t put it on there anyway
It should be kept paired down, the jobs you’ve done for the last 5 years and university education, I don’t see why A levels or GCSES (if you’re not too old) are relevant to doing your job anyway.
Employers are stupid, for so many jobs you need “Experience” but just because you’ve been sitting at a desk for 2 years doing a job doesn’t mean you’ve been doing it well, you might well be awful at it but for somersason that automatically means you’re better for a new job that someone who’s actually bright and might be very good at the job.
It should be kept paired down, the jobs you’ve done for the last 5 years and university education, I don’t see why A levels or GCSES (if you’re not too old) are relevant to doing your job anyway.
Employers are stupid, for so many jobs you need “Experience” but just because you’ve been sitting at a desk for 2 years doing a job doesn’t mean you’ve been doing it well, you might well be awful at it but for somersason that automatically means you’re better for a new job that someone who’s actually bright and might be very good at the job.
smiles1 said:
I'd rather produce a CV than fill in an online application form for every job I apply for.
Agreed. My son is currently looking for a minimum wage first time job in a supermarket etc. They all use on line forms and each one takes nearly an hour to fill out.The seem to include interview type questions as well so you end up having to write your life story. At least he had the good sense to save off line copies of his answers so that he can cut and paste any similar applications.
Fortunately my job sticks mainly to the standard CV and Interview for recruitment.
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