Not in the Commodores but working on the Nightshift...
Not in the Commodores but working on the Nightshift...
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R56Cooper

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2,533 posts

246 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Situation is I am a lawyer and I typically work 9-6ish, subject to clients' needs.

On occasion I have a catch up session and after the kids have gone to bed I'll have a late night and work through til 2am (sometimes later) to clear the decks.

Normally I'll use the delayed delivery function in Outlook and stack up my outbox ready to send at 8am rather than have emails going out in the small hours.

Interested in views on sending emails in the middle of the night!

On the one hand, I expect some clients appreciate it as a sign of commitment to getting a job done but on the other hand, I can't help but feel that emails sent late at night make it look like you can't manage your workload and/or like you might be too tired to function properly and give proper advice.


Countdown

47,143 posts

219 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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R56Cooper said:
Interested in views on sending emails in the middle of the night!
It’s fine with me and tbh I dont know why some people/companies make a big deal about it.There’s no obligation on the recipient to even check let alone reply immediately and does it really make a difference if the “sent at...” says 8am rather than 2am?

PorkInsider

6,350 posts

164 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I've never thought about how it looks to clients, to be honest. I'll send emails at whatever time of day or night I need/want to.

Granted it's a different scenario as clients are across the globe in my case, but do your clients still expect that everything happens in normal office hours these days?

21TonyK

12,923 posts

232 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I'm a bit of an insomniac and workaholic so its not unusual for me to ping out email at strange times. Over the years people I work with have got used to it, only ever had one or two comments from external contacts who assumed I was on holiday in a different time zone!

MYOB

5,090 posts

161 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I think we all know lawyers work at silly o'clock and wouldn't find it unusual.

Personally I wouldn't send emails to personal addresses at unusual hours in case they sleep with their phones next to them and the notification wakes them.

Official email addresses wouldn't be a problem.

rog007

5,818 posts

247 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Much of this depends upon the industry.

What I have seen as good practice is an email footer saying something along the lines of “my sending of this email out of hours does not mean I’m looking for a response, it’s just how I’ve organised my day”.

xx99xx

2,694 posts

96 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Countdown said:
It’s fine with me and tbh I dont know why some people/companies make a big deal about it.There’s no obligation on the recipient to even check let alone reply immediately and does it really make a difference if the “sent at...” says 8am rather than 2am?
Problem is, some people feel obligated to read/reply as soon as they receive it and refuse to turn their phones off as a result. Some of those people will then complain about being stressed and overworked (even if they've been told to turn their phones off at night) which is a HR ball ache when they go off sick. For that reason, because recipients are not always willing or able to turn their phones off, my employer discourages out of hours emails.

I believe they banned out of hours emails in France in 2017 (the right to disconnect).

monkfish1

12,206 posts

247 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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I have NEVER even thought to question e-mails coming in at silly o'clock.

I think you are over thinking it.

TwistingMyMelon

6,485 posts

228 months

Wednesday 16th September 2020
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Over thinking it

I sometimes send emails late at night as I took hours out in the day to enjoy the sunshine!

Mr.Chips

1,200 posts

237 months

Wednesday 16th September 2020
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Before I took early retirement in September 2019, I worked in education. During my teaching career, I had a couple of serious bouts of stress related illness, characterised by working all the hours I possibly could. Once I identified the late working as being a trigger, whenever I received emails from colleagues sent after 11pm, I would take the time to chat and check their welfare. In most cases, they were grateful that I’d asked and in one case the person broke down because she was struggling. We spent a few hours discussing ways to reduce workload and not reinventing the wheel every time she was delivering a new topic, sharing resources made by myself or other staff.
It doesn’t matter which area you work in, everyone is entitled to a decent work/life balance. If a work colleague of mine was regularly sending late emails, I would be a little concerned that they may be overdoing it.

RMDB9

1,711 posts

71 months

Saturday 19th September 2020
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One person's nighttime is another person's daytime. Be a bite more diverse and inclusive, and woke. Not everybody is working in white privileged BST time zone.

R56Cooper

Original Poster:

2,533 posts

246 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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Thanks for replies all, food for thought.

MYOB

5,090 posts

161 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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R56Cooper said:
Thanks for replies all, food for thought.
Working late again?

RMDB9

1,711 posts

71 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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reading your message at 2:36am puts me under huge pressure, can you please stop it

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,745 posts

88 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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I'd leave sending the emails until normal daytime hours.

The reason being that my phone will ping on the bedside table with a notification of an email at whatever time of night it happens to be.

PayPal are brilliant at sending automated emails at half two in the morning, there is no need for it!!!

RMDB9

1,711 posts

71 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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Matt_E_Mulsion said:
I'd leave sending the emails until normal daytime hours.

The reason being that my phone will ping on the bedside table with a notification of an email at whatever time of night it happens to be.

PayPal are brilliant at sending automated emails at half two in the morning, there is no need for it!!!
how dare they! why dont you write a letter to their headquarter in the U.S. and....oh, wait,

romeodelta

1,145 posts

184 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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Matt_E_Mulsion said:
I'd leave sending the emails until normal daytime hours.

The reason being that my phone will ping on the bedside table with a notification of an email at whatever time of night it happens to be.

PayPal are brilliant at sending automated emails at half two in the morning, there is no need for it!!!
Turn it off?

sociopath

3,433 posts

89 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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monkfish1 said:
I have NEVER even thought to question e-mails coming in at silly o'clock.

I think you are over thinking it.
This.

Who looks at what time an email is sent?

808 Estate

2,565 posts

114 months

Monday 21st September 2020
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First thing I do with any new phone is turn off the pinger. I get notifications when I get round to physically looking at the phone.
I sleep really well. smile

RMDB9

1,711 posts

71 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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808 Estate said:
First thing I do with any new phone is turn off the pinger. I get notifications when I get round to physically looking at the phone.
I sleep really well. smile
Can you please stop posting so late at night??