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anonymous-user

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76 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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ThunderSpook

3,885 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Is this a case of please don’t use Brave because it blocks all our annoying ads and makes our website work properly?

768

18,926 posts

118 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Yeah. All a bit silly.

Matt Dell

3,292 posts

177 months

PH TEAM

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Yeah, we simply can't support a browser that blocks a significant portion of our client side calls. Just read through this forum to see the number of posts that result in a problem being reported in Brave or DuckDuckGo and then works in Chrome, Safari, Firefox, or Edge.

You can still use whatever browser you choose. We're not preventing that. But if something doesn't work, you'll need to try a regular browser first.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

103 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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anonymous said:
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Agree 100% with this.

If your team has caused a problem in the choice of code and features used then it's up to your team to resolve those issues. It isn't up to the user to use another browser just to circumvent problems you've caused.

I fully understand if people are coming here with issues and it turns out their browser is IE7 or something. But Brave use the same engine as Chrome, it's the fact it provides it's user far more security from invasive scripts that sets it apart.

So now actually, while I was concerned with why my Brave browser wasn't supported, I'm left more concerned as to what you're trying to load on to my computer?

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

195 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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ThunderSpook said:
Is this a case of please don’t use Brave because it blocks all our annoying ads and makes our website work properly?
Came here to post exactly that laugh

Ph is the only thing I use Brave for because it's so st with all the usual browsers.

ThunderSpook

3,885 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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ChocolateFrog said:
ThunderSpook said:
Is this a case of please don’t use Brave because it blocks all our annoying ads and makes our website work properly?
Came here to post exactly that laugh

Ph is the only thing I use Brave for because it's so st with all the usual browsers.
Same with me. I have no problem with adverts, but the site became completely unusable on Safari on my iPhone due to how slow it was, so I was forced down this route.

sunbeam alpine

7,219 posts

210 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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I'm a bit confused. My friend* has been using Brave for quite a while now and tells me he hasn't experienced any problems with the site. Brave on W10 laptop.

  • Name changed to protect the innocent/avoid the wrath of PH...

Matt Dell

3,292 posts

177 months

PH TEAM

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Tell your friend to dismiss the banner and carry on using the site. wink

BigGingerBob

2,097 posts

212 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Just appeared for me today. The only reason I have Brave is because of how st this place is with a normal browser. Sort it out guys.

judas

6,206 posts

281 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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If the site doesn't work in Brave it's because the site is broken or doing stupid things. End of.

I've been doing web dev for over 25 years so I know bullst when I smell it rolleyes

geeks

11,055 posts

161 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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On the other hand I use PH on Chrome, Safari (both iOS and MacOS) and also on Firefox. I have no issues with the site on any of these browsers.

PH also has the choice as to what browsers it does and does not support, just because you want to use "X" browser doesn't mean they have to support it.

thegreenhell

21,713 posts

241 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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anonymous said:
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Pah, upstart.


sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

103 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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geeks said:
On the other hand I use PH on Chrome, Safari (both iOS and MacOS) and also on Firefox. I have no issues with the site on any of these browsers.

PH also has the choice as to what browsers it does and does not support, just because you want to use "X" browser doesn't mean they have to support it.
PH don't have the right or choice to dictate what a user considers necessary for their own online safety and privacy either. The fact that the Brave browser isn't being supported isn't down to it being outdated. It's down to the fact that PH has chosen to deliver scripts and other content to the user in such a way that could be seen as invasive. PH has chosen not to address that.

A website owner dictating to the user what browser they can and cannot use to view the site is outdated and a total bodge to address the real issues regarding the site. It's a poor technical decision.

geeks

11,055 posts

161 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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sgtBerbatov said:
geeks said:
On the other hand I use PH on Chrome, Safari (both iOS and MacOS) and also on Firefox. I have no issues with the site on any of these browsers.

PH also has the choice as to what browsers it does and does not support, just because you want to use "X" browser doesn't mean they have to support it.
PH don't have the right or choice to dictate what a user considers necessary for their own online safety and privacy either. The fact that the Brave browser isn't being supported isn't down to it being outdated. It's down to the fact that PH has chosen to deliver scripts and other content to the user in such a way that could be seen as invasive. PH has chosen not to address that.

A website owner dictating to the user what browser they can and cannot use to view the site is outdated and a total bodge to address the real issues regarding the site. It's a poor technical decision.
Poor technical decision or otherwise it doesn't change the fact that PH doesn't have to support a particular browser.

There are plenty of sites still out there saying you can't use X browser. The MSUK has to be used with IE or Firefox as Chrome doesn't work when you want to renew a licence for example.

Also as has been said you can dismiss the message and still use the site.

LordGrover

34,011 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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thegreenhell said:
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Pah, upstart.

Noobs


sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

103 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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geeks said:
sgtBerbatov said:
geeks said:
On the other hand I use PH on Chrome, Safari (both iOS and MacOS) and also on Firefox. I have no issues with the site on any of these browsers.

PH also has the choice as to what browsers it does and does not support, just because you want to use "X" browser doesn't mean they have to support it.
PH don't have the right or choice to dictate what a user considers necessary for their own online safety and privacy either. The fact that the Brave browser isn't being supported isn't down to it being outdated. It's down to the fact that PH has chosen to deliver scripts and other content to the user in such a way that could be seen as invasive. PH has chosen not to address that.

A website owner dictating to the user what browser they can and cannot use to view the site is outdated and a total bodge to address the real issues regarding the site. It's a poor technical decision.
Poor technical decision or otherwise it doesn't change the fact that PH doesn't have to support a particular browser.

There are plenty of sites still out there saying you can't use X browser. The MSUK has to be used with IE or Firefox as Chrome doesn't work when you want to renew a licence for example.

Also as has been said you can dismiss the message and still use the site.
Do not confuse a web browser's ability to render a website correctly, with a web browser's protection of the user.

This is not a case of the Brave web browser not rendering the website correctly, like the days of websites only ever being able to run on old versions of Internet Explorer due to how the browsers interpreted CSS styles. The issue, as described above, is that the Brave browser blocks the execution of various scripts and properties that the PH server sends the user. It does this if it determines that the scripts being sent are invasive to the user's privacy as well as protect the user from certain security issues.

From what I can see, the following scripts are being blocked (when viewing the forum homepage):
https://www.pistonheads.com/static/scripts/quantca...
https://www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js
https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtm.js?id=GTM-KFB...
https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/activity;dc_iu=/1...
https://c.amazon-adsystem.com/aax2/apstag.js

Most of these are advertising scripts that track the user across the site. The first one though is the GDPR consent script, where the user accepts or denies the data collection policy.

Why that's being blocked I don't know. But there are thousands of sites on the internet visited by users of the Brave browser that don't get blocked. So it's not impossible. Your job as a developer is to develop a website that is accessible to users. We have had this war of web standards and browsers not behaving when viewing a site. We have progressed to a point that a website can be built and be accessible to all browsers.

If there are aspects of the website that are breaking functionality due to a file not being loaded with no fallback, then that is the problem for the developer to solve. Not for the user to switch to another browser.

In the case of the Brave browser and how it decides whether a script is spying too much or leaves the user in a vulnerable position in terms of their internet use, then the script isn't doing the job properly. Unless, of course, the whole point of the script is to spy on the user. In that case the site owner needs to look at the GDPR guidelines again, and question whether it's right to prevent users who do not consent to being tracked or their data recorded from using the site.

Of course, if the site owners didn't intend on doing this, then why has the site been built to fall down if such scripts are loaded?

Terminator X

19,469 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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I got similar message today albeit on my phone as I use duckduckgo. Didn't get alternative suggestions though frown

TX.

Heartworm

1,938 posts

183 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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PH really don’t have to support any browser, they could tell us all to use IE and that would be there prerogative. It’s our choice as users writer we start or not and use the service that is offered, and they don’t want to offer a Brave service.

You choose to use it, no one is making you do anything.


AW111

9,674 posts

155 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Opera (Android) does a good job of ad-blocking.

It's not as good as Brave for stopping trackers & scripts, but I much prefer the Opera UI.