Remortgage to buy the flat downstairs?
Remortgage to buy the flat downstairs?
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bigandclever

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14,355 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Should be quick, something has come up today. I’ve done next to no thinking, just come straight here smile

I live in a house above a basement flat that may come up for sale as the current tenant is moving out and it sounds like the landlord wants to sell up.

Mortgage left on my house is 100k over 5 years.
My house value is 550k

Expected flat value is 250k
Expected gross rental income is 750pcm

Key things to know are I’m not actually working; I have a limited company (IT contractor) with 100k in it that I’m drawing down as salary and divis, as appropriate. I have no significant savings, no pension, and I’m getting on for being 50.

Given all that, in theory would I be in a position to remortgage my place to purchase the flat? Or some other mechanism? TIA

Capcom

34 posts

92 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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........afraid not, if you have no income.

roadsmash

2,667 posts

99 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Capcom said:
........afraid not, if you have no income.
Huh? Yes he does.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Do you want to go even more “all in” on debt funded UK residential property than you already are?

bigandclever

Original Poster:

14,355 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Capcom said:
........afraid not, if you have no income.
That’s why I thought it useful to put in smile

I’m not in contract at the moment; but I am drawing down from my company, which is what I’d be doing if I was in contract anyway. So in my head I have about 3 years-worth of income, at 30k a year, until the company coffers are bare.

Du1point8

22,893 posts

221 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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go for it

Capcom

34 posts

92 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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bigandclever said:
That’s why I thought it useful to put in smile

I’m not in contract at the moment; but I am drawing down from my company, which is what I’d be doing if I was in contract anyway. So in my head I have about 3 years-worth of income, at 30k a year, until the company coffers are bare.
You would need to be in contract and receiving into into your Ltd Company.....

DoubleD

22,154 posts

137 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Are you going to rent it out as a sort of pension?

bigandclever

Original Poster:

14,355 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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JPJPJP said:
Do you want to go even more “all in” on debt funded UK residential property than you already are?
Actually what I want to do is move to Spain and start a new business, but that’s for a more involved thread. This thread is to help with a different possible option, in a lot of ways something ‘easier’.

Caddyshack

14,792 posts

235 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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As a broker I would say yes it is possible, if you draw money from the ltd co you are paying tax and it will show as such on tax comp. there is nothing at all to say when the invoices had to have come in, I have celeb clients who do this all the time...earn when times are good and feed the money out over x yrs.

Many of the lenders would not want personal or business statements and if they did it would not matter.

Could be done on the property below as buy to let and raise deposit on home. Tmw have no min income requirement for the buy to let, just want to know the Sal and divs that you are living off and rental stress test.

What you can borrow on the home would be a multiple of the Sal and divs.



Edited by Caddyshack on Thursday 17th September 21:59

Caddyshack

14,792 posts

235 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Age 50 not a problem...35yrs int only on btl, term on main residence can go to age 70 with most or 75 or later with some.

I think only would be Poss on the residence too if needed.

roadsmash

2,667 posts

99 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Capcom said:
roadsmash said:
Huh? Yes he does.
No he doesn't, he's not earning anything, he's drawing funds from his Ltd company......in the same way as just using savings to pay the bills.

Mortgage lenders will want 3 months business bank statements that will (assuming) show no income as he's not working.......
You assume wrong.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

227 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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A shame you couldn’t turn the 2 flats /change it back to a house a proper family house as it was originally designed

roadsmash

2,667 posts

99 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Caddyshack said:
As a broker I would say yes it is possible, if you draw money from the ltd co you are paying tax and it will show as such on tax comp. there is nothing at all to say when the invoices had to have come in, I have celeb clients who do this all the time...earn when times are good and feed the money out over x yrs.

Many of the lenders would not want personal or business statements and if they did it would not matter.

Could be done on the property below as buy to let and raise deposit on home. Tmw have no min income requirement for the buy to let, just want to know the Sal and divs that you are living off and rental stress test.

What you can borrow on the home would be a multiple of the Sal and divs.



Edited by Caddyshack on Thursday 17th September 21:59
Correct.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

137 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Welshbeef said:
A shame you couldn’t turn the 2 flats /change it back to a house a proper family house as it was originally designed
Why?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

227 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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DoubleD said:
Welshbeef said:
A shame you couldn’t turn the 2 flats /change it back to a house a proper family house as it was originally designed
Why?
Why not a house is superior in every way over a flat - family home for starters.

Rameez-Q

337 posts

98 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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bigandclever said:
Should be quick, something has come up today. I’ve done next to no thinking, just come straight here smile

I live in a house above a basement flat that may come up for sale as the current tenant is moving out and it sounds like the landlord wants to sell up.

Mortgage left on my house is 100k over 5 years.
My house value is 550k

Expected flat value is 250k
Expected gross rental income is 750pcm

Key things to know are I’m not actually working; I have a limited company (IT contractor) with 100k in it that I’m drawing down as salary and divis, as appropriate. I have no significant savings, no pension, and I’m getting on for being 50.

Given all that, in theory would I be in a position to remortgage my place to purchase the flat? Or some other mechanism? TIA
If you've been conracting more than 2 years they'll just base it off your tax returns, more so predicted rent and mortgage cost.

From memory i think it means the rent should be 1.5x the mortgage.

For a 250k investment, 750pm is wack. Really wack, then add in tax, insurance, repairs etc you'll be making a very small profit.



bigandclever

Original Poster:

14,355 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th September 2020
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Welshbeef said:
A shame you couldn’t turn the 2 flats /change it back to a house a proper family house as it was originally designed
I could, physically, but I expect the maths really wouldn’t stack up; there are other limitations for a modern family’s wants too.

The Moose

23,677 posts

238 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Rameez-Q said:
If you've been conracting more than 2 years they'll just base it off your tax returns, more so predicted rent and mortgage cost.

From memory i think it means the rent should be 1.5x the mortgage.

For a 250k investment, 750pm is wack. Really wack, then add in tax, insurance, repairs etc you'll be making a very small profit.
I thought wack was good? I’m not down with the lingo...

DoubleD

22,154 posts

137 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Welshbeef said:
Why not a house is superior in every way over a flat - family home for starters.
Yes, it would be lovely to turn it into a big house, but the op is 50 with no pension so he probably needs to make some money from it.