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It was good to see a few of you guys at GT Battle yesterday. I met a chap called Andy ('blue' GT3RS) who is presumably a member here, who was parked up next to Steve Rance in his nice 'red' GT3RS. Nice to meet you Andy, and really bad luck being 'pipped' by a hundredth of a second!
Well done Steve on your 3rd place Time Attack, and fastest of the Porsche boys :-)
Elliot.
Well done Steve on your 3rd place Time Attack, and fastest of the Porsche boys :-)
Elliot.
I am sure that we will hear more about this over the next few days but well done to all of the Titanic lads for a great show at the GT Battle.
3 cars in the top ten is admirable and shows the potential of these cars.
It is worth remembering that the top two vehicles had some serious horse power where as the RS's are all standard apart from suspension mods and tyres.
Well done JournoGimp Racing!!
P.
3 cars in the top ten is admirable and shows the potential of these cars.
It is worth remembering that the top two vehicles had some serious horse power where as the RS's are all standard apart from suspension mods and tyres.
Well done JournoGimp Racing!!
P.
Paul Y said:
It is worth remembering that the top two vehicles had some serious horse power where as the RS's are all standard apart from suspension mods and tyres.
Any idea what the 2nd placed Sumo Skyline was running power-wise?
The Escort can potentially run between 560-580bhp @ 38PSI. We ran it at 34PSI during the Time Attack lap.
It weighs about 1240kgs and is very seriously well set-up suspension wise, and has a 7-speed 'works' gearbox (manual h-pattern). It's also road legal (as all the cars were).
It ran Pirelli Corsa 265s all day.
The Cossie is a serious bit of kit, with the most amazing camber on the wheels I've ever seen and Gareth Lloyd is a good driver. The car is usually quoted around 600bhp and the 7 speed sequential gearbox really helps it of course.
Andy Barnes car is now running less than the cira 960bhp it was running for drag, but is easily about 700bhp. The Skylines usually run 106 Octane fuel, called 'cool blue'.
The GT3RSs did really well, all getting similar times and under a second behind the GTR, with everyone about 5 secs behind Gareth Lloyd.
My car was entered. I tried a lap in the morning and it was wet and greasy and the car was sideways everywhere (rwd and 600+bhp), so I gave the rest of the morning a miss. I went out in the afternoon when it started drying, put in a lap and was then told it was all over. Unfortunately they didn't record the time for it, so I just went to the stands and enjoyed watching the finals.
It was a good event overall, but the queues were too long for each lap (too large a gap between letting each each car go) and too many periods with nothing happening for spectators. I'm sure the next one will be even better.
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Sunday 26th June 17:43
Hi Guy,
It's not a sequential box... It's a regular H-pattern manual - 7 speed, and the clutch is always used.
It's not 600bhp either - it'll output a maximum of between 560-580bhp at 38PSI (ran a max of 34PSI on the day during the final run).
You're right about the camber though - gotta say the suspension as a whole took a good 5 or 6 years to perfect. It's in the handling stakes that this car excels, though it's straight line performance aint bad either (geared for nearly 200mph).
It hasn't really been tweaked for about 5 years though.
If anyone's interested, the top speed during the final Time Attack lap was 129.5mph, just before the first hairpin.
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:05
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:07
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:08
It's not a sequential box... It's a regular H-pattern manual - 7 speed, and the clutch is always used.
It's not 600bhp either - it'll output a maximum of between 560-580bhp at 38PSI (ran a max of 34PSI on the day during the final run).
You're right about the camber though - gotta say the suspension as a whole took a good 5 or 6 years to perfect. It's in the handling stakes that this car excels, though it's straight line performance aint bad either (geared for nearly 200mph).
It hasn't really been tweaked for about 5 years though.
If anyone's interested, the top speed during the final Time Attack lap was 129.5mph, just before the first hairpin.
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:05
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:07
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Sunday 26th June 19:08
Basically everything in the final was heavily modified, and I mean seriously modified. It is amazing that a bog standard raod car with nothing more than different springs and shock absorbers can go out and beat almost everything. I think I missed second by a knats fart.
In the wet morning qualifing session my car was leading for a while before the track started to dry a little. Amazing when you think of the advantage the 4WD cars should have had..
Ignore the GT3 at your peril..
Steve R
In the wet morning qualifing session my car was leading for a while before the track started to dry a little. Amazing when you think of the advantage the 4WD cars should have had..
Ignore the GT3 at your peril..
Steve R
steve rance said:
Basically everything in the final was heavily modified, and I mean seriously modified. It is amazing that a bog standard raod car with nothing more than different springs and shock absorbers can go out and beat almost everything. I think I missed second by a knats fart.
Yeah you're right - you only just missed out on taking the Sumo Skyline, there was only a few tenths in it. All credit to you as he was running a monster-spec car!
steve rance said:
In the wet morning qualifing session my car was leading for a while before the track started to dry a little. Amazing when you think of the advantage the 4WD cars should have had..
Hehe, now that's a slight porkie ;-)
Gareth was the second runner in the wet qual and his time was the benchmark for ages until the dry line started to appear. He did a 1.16 in the full wet, and most other times were 1.22+ until that dry line started to appear :-)
He commented that the car was a real handful in those conditions (even with the 4WD), so you RWD GT3RS boys must have been having fun!
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Monday 27th June 13:17
Mart1n said:
Are the full results posted anywhere?
Ah, found them myself....
www.theresults.co.uk/gt_battle_results.htm
Well done Steve and co.!
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Hehe, now that's a slight porkie ;-)
Gareth was the second runner in the wet qual and his time was the benchmark for ages until the dry line started to appear. He did a 1.16 in the full wet, and most other times were 1.22+ until that dry line started to appear :-)
He commented that the car was a real handful in those conditions (even with the 4WD), so you RWD GT3RS boys must have been having fun!
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Monday 27th June 13:17[/quote]
Sorry. you are right. My first wet Run was 1.16.27. I was second to Gareth aparently.. I take it back
Steve R
Hehe, now that's a slight porkie ;-)
Gareth was the second runner in the wet qual and his time was the benchmark for ages until the dry line started to appear. He did a 1.16 in the full wet, and most other times were 1.22+ until that dry line started to appear :-)
He commented that the car was a real handful in those conditions (even with the 4WD), so you RWD GT3RS boys must have been having fun!
>> Edited by MrOnTheRopes on Monday 27th June 13:17[/quote]
Sorry. you are right. My first wet Run was 1.16.27. I was second to Gareth aparently.. I take it back
Steve R
Hey Steve,
I take it you were running on Michelin Cups as usual? How were they in the wet? Are they nearly new or knackered?
Also, silly question maybe, but how much extra power would your car need to equal the time of the Cossie? Or would adding power make little difference? I'm thinking of a supercharger here?!?!
>> Edited by johnny senna on Monday 27th June 14:04
I take it you were running on Michelin Cups as usual? How were they in the wet? Are they nearly new or knackered?
Also, silly question maybe, but how much extra power would your car need to equal the time of the Cossie? Or would adding power make little difference? I'm thinking of a supercharger here?!?!
>> Edited by johnny senna on Monday 27th June 14:04
johnny senna said:
Hey Steve,
I take it you were running on Michelin Cups as usual? How were they in the wet? Are they nearly new or knackered?
Also, silly question maybe, but how much extra power would your car need to equal the time of the Cossie? Or would adding power make little difference? I'm thinking of a supercharger here?!?!
>> Edited by johnny senna on Monday 27th June 14:04
I missed out on second place by .08 of a second. I hadn't been to Rockingham before but I was close to optimum. maybe another 2 - 3 tenths. The Cossie was in a different league. It had good chasis balance and deployed it's power effectively. I'ts a no compromise racing car and was well driven. It would be more appropriate to compare it to a cup car.
Finding 4.5 seconds with power alone would be difficult. To compete, I would need to be 200KG lighter have shorter ratios and another 50 bhp. A cup car should be quicker in the dry but a road going GT3 wouldn't have a hope.
I ran on cups all day. I love the wet and kept the car full stiff. I lost my advantage when the track was marginal and the 4wd systems started hunting the grip out.
I set my sights on second after watching the Cossie. Once I saw the driver was quick, I knew nobody had a hope. After catching a passing the second place Skyine pretty easily in final practice I was amazed to see that he beat me in the final. Maybe he upped his boost. He told me he was running 700bhp for his final run but I don't know if he wound the wick down for practice. Either way he drove it well so I can't complain at third.
Steve
Steve, not sure if you were in the pitlane when the Sumo car was out, but the commentator said he was DRIFTING through several corners :-O
At that point I wrote the lap off 'in my head' thinking it would be well off the pace, but was pretty gobsmacked when 1.35 came up on my stopwatch!!
I'm sure he must have dialed in some major boost. Without the drifting how much faster would he have been?
At that point I wrote the lap off 'in my head' thinking it would be well off the pace, but was pretty gobsmacked when 1.35 came up on my stopwatch!!
I'm sure he must have dialed in some major boost. Without the drifting how much faster would he have been?
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