Is Covid going to bring the Conservative government down?
Discussion
As above, there are two points, one self inflicted,
Covid could have been handled much more efficiently and effectively. In February we were aware of who was at risk. Those in old peoples' homes should have been protected better. People over 55/60/65 should have been required to lock down. This was hardly radical. I have a close relative who is seriously at risk due to medical reasons and was told by her doctor, back in Feb, to lock down and was told why.
As for brexit, there was no real exit plan.
For the first one, I think there's an argument that they were playing safe. It's not one I agree with, expecially as they could have gone with a better plan at any time, but, it appears, they didn't want it to seem that they'd got it wrong initially. However, there are lots of arguments they can bring forward.
Brexit - not so many available.
There's unlikely to be a bounce. There's unlikely to be a deal - unless fish are abandoned, and other countries might well do better than us. If, as some have suggested, our leaving the EU will cause them massive financial problems, then that's our worst nightmare.
I doubt the government will be brought down. Johnson probably will if we are in dire straights. The tories will want to blame someone and Johnson's in the crosshairs. Will it be enough to ensure they are voted back in?
That's the big question. But they are secure at the moment.
Covid could have been handled much more efficiently and effectively. In February we were aware of who was at risk. Those in old peoples' homes should have been protected better. People over 55/60/65 should have been required to lock down. This was hardly radical. I have a close relative who is seriously at risk due to medical reasons and was told by her doctor, back in Feb, to lock down and was told why.
As for brexit, there was no real exit plan.
For the first one, I think there's an argument that they were playing safe. It's not one I agree with, expecially as they could have gone with a better plan at any time, but, it appears, they didn't want it to seem that they'd got it wrong initially. However, there are lots of arguments they can bring forward.
Brexit - not so many available.
There's unlikely to be a bounce. There's unlikely to be a deal - unless fish are abandoned, and other countries might well do better than us. If, as some have suggested, our leaving the EU will cause them massive financial problems, then that's our worst nightmare.
I doubt the government will be brought down. Johnson probably will if we are in dire straights. The tories will want to blame someone and Johnson's in the crosshairs. Will it be enough to ensure they are voted back in?
That's the big question. But they are secure at the moment.
The Spruce Goose said:
When you have an extremely arrogant leader and his extremely arrogant russian sidekick, then they will never listen to reason, and always think they are right and better than everyone else.
You don't get in the Bullingdon club listening to other people.
How does that answer the question ? - or perhaps you just wanted a political rant ?You don't get in the Bullingdon club listening to other people.
CypSIdders said:
Taylor James said:
Not the government but probably Boris.
Boris will be gone by February!If he does it will be due to "health reasons". (Looking for the sympathy vote and keen to remembered as Churchill Mk2, our Saviour in our darkest hour)..
Robertj21a said:
How does that answer the question ? - or perhaps you just wanted a political rant ?
the question is ''Is Covid going to bring the Conservative government down?''So you have a leader of a party that has shown to allow senior advisors to lie, give 125 million deals to friends that provide junk, not even listen to scientists when deciding a 10pm curfew.
All in the last few months, yet his personality has nothing to do with it? A personality that looks down on normal people, the same ones he has a charge to save.
''Let the old people die'', a comment from his sidekick. Dimissed.
So you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make out that maybe he is a massive f
kwit and destroying the UK as well as his party.The Spruce Goose said:
Robertj21a said:
How does that answer the question ? - or perhaps you just wanted a political rant ?
the question is ''Is Covid going to bring the Conservative government down?''So you have a leader of a party that has shown to allow senior advisors to lie, give 125 million deals to friends that provide junk, not even listen to scientists when deciding a 10pm curfew.
All in the last few months, yet his personality has nothing to do with it? A personality that looks down on normal people, the same ones he has a charge to save.
''Let the old people die'', a comment from his sidekick. Dimissed.
So you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make out that maybe he is a massive f
kwit and destroying the UK as well as his party.The main architects in dealing with the pandemic have been the expert scientists, to whom
the government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made fk all difference, other countries
had a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
the government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made f
k all difference, other countrieshad a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
coppernorks said:
The main architects in dealing with the pandemic have been the expert scientists, to whom
the government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made fk all difference, other countries
had a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
Factually incorrect at every turnthe government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made f
k all difference, other countrieshad a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
coppernorks said:
The main architects in dealing with the pandemic have been the expert scientists, to whom
the government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made fk all difference, other countries
had a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
Advisors only advise. The government are responsible for the decisions.the government have shown undying and unquestioning loyalty
The same scientists and experts that a Labour administration would have obeyed.
As for the UK's tardiness in going into lockdown, it's known widely that it made f
k all difference, other countrieshad a lockdown a fortnight earlier and have had much more devastating numbers of cases and deaths so let's
not repeat that old tossjuice.
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