Earth strap question
Discussion
Manufacturers use that awful metal braided stuff as an earth cable. Must be cheap. But it lets in water and road muck, and corrodes away.
That cable has to carry the highest current that goes to the engine - IE starter current, 300Amps or so! So, use starter cable, same size as what you have. Such cable is available as cut lengths, or made up with swaged terminals to almost any length you wish. Protected by a PVC cover and, if you wish you can grease the ends, so waterproof and last for ever.
See: https://www.vehiclewiringproducts.co.uk/c-1-home/c...
John
That cable has to carry the highest current that goes to the engine - IE starter current, 300Amps or so! So, use starter cable, same size as what you have. Such cable is available as cut lengths, or made up with swaged terminals to almost any length you wish. Protected by a PVC cover and, if you wish you can grease the ends, so waterproof and last for ever.
See: https://www.vehiclewiringproducts.co.uk/c-1-home/c...
John
Zulu 10 said:
I agree that it's rarely adequately protected, but the principle of using braid is justified because of its reduced impedance at higher frequencies compared to the type of cable which you are suggesting.
This is due to the skin effect, and if noise is, or might be an issue, then using the cable you recommend may not end well.
Impedance is a feature of AC. How is this important in a 12V DC vehicle?This is due to the skin effect, and if noise is, or might be an issue, then using the cable you recommend may not end well.
Zulu 10 said:
This is one reason why many people, myself included, only ever tie down one end of an outer screen on a cable, for to tie both ends down in different places would risk the introduction of earth loops by stray currents travelling in screens around the very cables that were supposed to be protected from noise.
The reason earth loops are a problem is not due to differing earths being at differing voltages. If the screen is grounded at both ends then it forms a physical loop which can act as a generator in the presence of a changing magnetic field. This will induce a current along it, which can then induce a voltage on the wire it encloses. In other words it's an electromagnetic problem, not just a differential voltage problem.Braided earth straps are not used for any slight reduction in skin effect. To significantly reduce skin effect each strand has to be insulated from the rest as it in in Litz wire (a type of wire designed to reduce skin effect at high frequencies).
An earth strap needs to carry a lot of current and it also needs to be flexible if it's bonding the engine to the chassis, more so than the starter cable as they tend to be much shorter. Insulation reduces flexibility (particularly under cold conditions) and without insulation you have to braid the strands to prevent it becoming a copper hairball.
An earth strap needs to carry a lot of current and it also needs to be flexible if it's bonding the engine to the chassis, more so than the starter cable as they tend to be much shorter. Insulation reduces flexibility (particularly under cold conditions) and without insulation you have to braid the strands to prevent it becoming a copper hairball.
LimSlip said:
Braided earth straps are not used for any slight reduction in skin effect. To significantly reduce skin effect each strand has to be insulated from the rest as it in in Litz wire (a type of wire designed to reduce skin effect at high frequencies).
An earth strap needs to carry a lot of current and it also needs to be flexible if it's bonding the engine to the chassis, more so than the starter cable as they tend to be much shorter. Insulation reduces flexibility (particularly under cold conditions) and without insulation you have to braid the strands to prevent it becoming a copper hairball.
Tell the kids of today that and they won't believe youAn earth strap needs to carry a lot of current and it also needs to be flexible if it's bonding the engine to the chassis, more so than the starter cable as they tend to be much shorter. Insulation reduces flexibility (particularly under cold conditions) and without insulation you have to braid the strands to prevent it becoming a copper hairball.
Went very quiet in here after you posting the above
Wow! Once again, a simple request for advice turns into an arguement between well informed and erudite contributors.
Professor FK Lewis knows all about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEQcsuXnnnc&ab...
Professor FK Lewis knows all about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEQcsuXnnnc&ab...
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