991.1 GT3 or 997.1 GT3?
Discussion
Been looking for another toy for the garage for about £80k/£90k mark. Now I’ve noticed a few 991 GT3’s entering this price bracket. Originally thought it would have to be a 997 but now the newer car and more modern looks has got me favouring these
I have read about the engine problems about the 991.1 but obviously OPC warranty upto 10 years old and then extending after that should give piece of mind
So for a Sunday driver for the odd spirited blast what would you guys go for?
I have read about the engine problems about the 991.1 but obviously OPC warranty upto 10 years old and then extending after that should give piece of mind
So for a Sunday driver for the odd spirited blast what would you guys go for?
But the fact 991.1 prices have collapsed the GT3 "stack of pancakes" should raise alarm bells.
At the lower end of pricing (but some would say top end for enjoyment) the 996.1 is doing sterling work and holding up well. The 'compression' of prices between there and 991.1 is driven, mainly IMHO, by the collapse of 991.1. The two main factors in that being engines and sheers numbers, by comparison to previous GT3 iterations.
At the lower end of pricing (but some would say top end for enjoyment) the 996.1 is doing sterling work and holding up well. The 'compression' of prices between there and 991.1 is driven, mainly IMHO, by the collapse of 991.1. The two main factors in that being engines and sheers numbers, by comparison to previous GT3 iterations.
Digga said:
But the fact 991.1 prices have collapsed the GT3 "stack of pancakes" should raise alarm bells.
At the lower end of pricing (but some would say top end for enjoyment) the 996.1 is doing sterling work and holding up well. The 'compression' of prices between there and 991.1 is driven, mainly IMHO, by the collapse of 991.1. The two main factors in that being engines and sheers numbers, by comparison to previous GT3 iterations.
‘Collapsed ‘ ? 7 year old low spec cars are still 90k to buy ,I wish all my car purchases over the years had depreciated like that .At the lower end of pricing (but some would say top end for enjoyment) the 996.1 is doing sterling work and holding up well. The 'compression' of prices between there and 991.1 is driven, mainly IMHO, by the collapse of 991.1. The two main factors in that being engines and sheers numbers, by comparison to previous GT3 iterations.
forest172 said:
I’m reading all the comments guys and thank you all very much. A proper mixed bag
What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
On spec I'd say lift is important depending on the area you live. Cars with buckets and cage always move faster but comfort seats can be better depending on how you plan to use it.What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
Decision wise you need to test drive them both. Really different cars. 997 is smaller, feels like it has more torque in low revs and is tremendously engaging at all speeds being manual. 991 is totally different with PDK and an engine that demands being revved out.
I would say though don't be afraid of the 991.1 if thats the car you find you prefer - as long as you're going to keep it under warranty. Yes they can go pop but it is quite rare.
I had the same dilemma, after looking at swapping my 991.2 GTS for either a 991.1 or 997 GT3 I went for a 2010 997.2 GT3.
Why? My personal opinions below.
It felt close to an old school 911.
Interior on the 997 feels very sturdy by comparison.
The 997 felt lean and eager.
I like the old school heritage on the Mezger engine.
There are fewer of them
They seem to be hard wearing with fewer issues especially when compared to the 991’s much reported engine issues. I wouldn’t fancy the replacement cost of a new engine or the alternative of being on the hook for dealer servicing costs and warranty renewal costs.
I was concerned the heavy clutch in the 997 might spoil longer trips but I have never noticed it when on the move.
i am not convinced front lift is a necessity, I heard they can be expensive to fix and although mine has scrapped a few times the lowest bits are just cheap to replace plastic items.
A year and a half on I think it is blooming fab.
Good luck in your search.
Why? My personal opinions below.
It felt close to an old school 911.
Interior on the 997 feels very sturdy by comparison.
The 997 felt lean and eager.
I like the old school heritage on the Mezger engine.
There are fewer of them
They seem to be hard wearing with fewer issues especially when compared to the 991’s much reported engine issues. I wouldn’t fancy the replacement cost of a new engine or the alternative of being on the hook for dealer servicing costs and warranty renewal costs.
I was concerned the heavy clutch in the 997 might spoil longer trips but I have never noticed it when on the move.
i am not convinced front lift is a necessity, I heard they can be expensive to fix and although mine has scrapped a few times the lowest bits are just cheap to replace plastic items.
A year and a half on I think it is blooming fab.
Good luck in your search.
LemonTart said:
I had the same dilemma, after looking at swapping my 991.2 GTS for either a 991.1 or 997 GT3 I went for a 2010 997.2 GT3.
Why? My personal opinions below.
It felt close to an old school 911.
Interior on the 997 feels very sturdy by comparison.
The 997 felt lean and eager.
I like the old school heritage on the Mezger engine.
There are fewer of them
They seem to be hard wearing with fewer issues especially when compared to the 991’s much reported engine issues. I wouldn’t fancy the replacement cost of a new engine or the alternative of being on the hook for dealer servicing costs and warranty renewal costs.
I was concerned the heavy clutch in the 997 might spoil longer trips but I have never noticed it when on the move.
i am not convinced front lift is a necessity, I heard they can be expensive to fix and although mine has scrapped a few times the lowest bits are just cheap to replace plastic items.
A year and a half on I think it is blooming fab.
Good luck in your search.
Interesting point on lift. Got the 7.2 without it because dealer claimed at time of order that it adds over 20kg - which was three times of the actual figure. I do scrap the front often on all the "street furniture" deployed on our streets today. But so far never had to replace any parts due to it. Have lift on the 7.2. RS and would now always go for a car with itWhy? My personal opinions below.
It felt close to an old school 911.
Interior on the 997 feels very sturdy by comparison.
The 997 felt lean and eager.
I like the old school heritage on the Mezger engine.
There are fewer of them
They seem to be hard wearing with fewer issues especially when compared to the 991’s much reported engine issues. I wouldn’t fancy the replacement cost of a new engine or the alternative of being on the hook for dealer servicing costs and warranty renewal costs.
I was concerned the heavy clutch in the 997 might spoil longer trips but I have never noticed it when on the move.
i am not convinced front lift is a necessity, I heard they can be expensive to fix and although mine has scrapped a few times the lowest bits are just cheap to replace plastic items.
A year and a half on I think it is blooming fab.
Good luck in your search.
Dr S said:
Interesting point on lift. Got the 7.2 without it because dealer claimed at time of order that it adds over 20kg - which was three times of the actual figure. I do scrap the front often on all the "street furniture" deployed on our streets today. But so far never had to replace any parts due to it. Have lift on the 7.2. RS and would now always go for a car with it
Not to derail but I believe it can be retrofitted? When I was looking for my .2 RS Porsche quoted about 4k to do itforest172 said:
I’m reading all the comments guys and thank you all very much. A proper mixed bag
What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
Unless you are using the car solely on track you will need lift and most cars have it. Any that don't are worth less. It was actually a £2.5k option on the 991.1 and £1.5k option on the 991.2.What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
Regarding the brakes the market changed with the more focused and quicker 991.2 GT3 as performance improved to RS levels and most buyers of gen 2s like the RS demand ceramics and any car with steels command substantially less well in excess of the option cost new.
Most gen 1s were specced with steel brakes and ceramic braked cars do not command a substantial premium perhaps half of the option cost new so max £2.5k approx. Worth checking the condition of brakes bearing in mind many cars stood for months outside OPCs awaiting new engines with consequential brake deterioration as a result.
Extended leather is a must for resale, carbon is nice as the standard aluminium looks s
t.Much has been written on the big difference in price between CS/bucketed and comfort cars so this goes without saying.
Worth checking out the engine history of any car you are interested in. Most first run Sept 2013 to May 2014 cars had OPC swap new engines but some like mine were factory fit which came Oct 2014. Some cars have had several replacement engines. The chart will tell you which cars had which engines the later the better.
Prices for the best cars are still just under basic list mileage dependent but as ever the best cars sell well at the best prices.
Great package at the money.
forest172 said:
I’m reading all the comments guys and thank you all very much. A proper mixed bag
What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
Front lift..where do you live? I haven't used it once in 30 months ,but come resale time it probably helps a bit.What’s the must have’s? Front lift I’ve gathered.
I’m not bothered about ceramics
franki68 said:
Front lift..where do you live? I haven't used it once in 30 months ,but come resale time it probably helps a bit.
I use it every trip as I need it to get off my drive.the BIG thing about lift is YOU CAN PUT A proper track geo on the car and add more rake, then you use lift to get over speed humps.
IF YOU HAVE a focused geo on a car with NO LIFT you cannot drive anywhere !!!
I know a lot of these cars are trinkets and for status, but for the driver you NEED a proper geo and "lift" then is a godsend to make it a very good track car which YOU CAN use on the road also.
Porsche911R said:
I use it every trip as I need it to get off my drive.
the BIG thing about lift is YOU CAN PUT A proper track geo on the car and add more rake, then you use lift to get over speed humps.
IF YOU HAVE a focused geo on a car with NO LIFT you cannot drive anywhere !!!
I know a lot of these cars are trinkets and for status, but for the driver you NEED a proper geo and "lift" then is a godsend to make it a very good track car which YOU CAN use on the road also.
Do you ALWAYS SHOUT RANDOMLY ? the BIG thing about lift is YOU CAN PUT A proper track geo on the car and add more rake, then you use lift to get over speed humps.
IF YOU HAVE a focused geo on a car with NO LIFT you cannot drive anywhere !!!
I know a lot of these cars are trinkets and for status, but for the driver you NEED a proper geo and "lift" then is a godsend to make it a very good track car which YOU CAN use on the road also.
I haven't messed with the geo,probably like 95% of owners ,and I have always ordered it on various supercars and if you live in a city etc then yes it's a must have,and as I said regardless it's helpful to have for resale,but does everyone actually need it ? That depends where you live and where you drive.
franki68 said:
Do you ALWAYS SHOUT RANDOMLY ?
I haven't messed with the geo,probably like 95% of owners ,and I have always ordered it on various supercars and if you live in a city etc then yes it's a must have,and as I said regardless it's helpful to have for resale,but does everyone actually need it ? That depends where you live and where you drive.
it was to highlight those words :-(which it did and the correct use of CAPS imo.I haven't messed with the geo,probably like 95% of owners ,and I have always ordered it on various supercars and if you live in a city etc then yes it's a must have,and as I said regardless it's helpful to have for resale,but does everyone actually need it ? That depends where you live and where you drive.
But that's why I said most owners have these for trinkets or status ! oem geo = status car imho.
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