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Derek Smith said:
KurtFlew said:
I'll take a good guess at how many people will die from going to a pub field.
Zero.
What's your guess on how many people will become infected, take the virus elsewhere, infect others some of whom might well be vulnerable.Zero.
Derek Smith said:
KurtFlew said:
I'll take a good guess at how many people will die from going to a pub field.
Zero.
What's your guess on how many people will become infected, take the virus elsewhere, infect others some of whom might well be vulnerable.Zero.
Derek Smith said:
What's your guess on how many people will become infected, take the virus elsewhere, infect others some of whom might well be vulnerable.
Less than the number of infected workers in the NHS https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavi...
voyds9 said:
Derek Smith said:
What's your guess on how many people will become infected, take the virus elsewhere, infect others some of whom might well be vulnerable.
Less than the number of infected workers in the NHS https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavi...
Vanden Saab said:
Derek Smith said:
KurtFlew said:
I'll take a good guess at how many people will die from going to a pub field.
Zero.
What's your guess on how many people will become infected, take the virus elsewhere, infect others some of whom might well be vulnerable.Zero.
Of those 71 new deaths how can you be certain on your claims of "zero" ?
Answer : you can't and neither can government or society as a whole. As such there should be personal and collective responsibility to keep infection rate as low as possible until a vaccine or existing medicines can reduce death rate to a societal acceptable level(1).
(1) What that level is, will of course be different to each individual. However as has been mentioned on the debate in the past is that with this new virus the lasting effects are an unknown with new evidence arriving daily. Some people, even after easily fighting off the virus and 'recovering' months ago are finding ongoing health issues. With this unknown element of the virus it is a reasonable position to assume that if we headed for "herd immunity" and accepted large scale infections, then who is to say that months or years down the line that the UK population would be facing a huge health crisis due to Covid-19 lasting effects? Too late to be doing anything by then and people would be riling in anger that measures were not taken in the present day.
Then there is the case that with large scale infection it would be inevitable that it would find its way in to care homes and other vulnerable where once again there will be elderly and others dying well before their time.
To take that position is irresponsible, incompassionate and shows nothing other than pure selfishness.
But this has to be balanced against the economy. And that is what the government's impossible position is at the moment. It is also what is driving childish partisan positions on viewpoints regarding the virus.
The main problem however is that each time the government passes responsibility of one's own actions to the public, they simply become careless, self centered and ignorant of the situation in catching and spreading the virus.
We have seen time and time again over the past few months that if people are given their freedoms, too many simply abuse them. Beaches, night clubs, bars, house parties, university parties, protest gatherings etc.
So how can any nation fight such a virus when a significant amount of the population are just plain self-centered ignorant hypocritical imbeciles fuelled by partisan agendas like the media always is ?
Edited by GroundZero on Wednesday 30th September 09:20
hiccy18 said:
So the landlord voluntarily closes but still gets a fixed penalty notice for "organising or facilitating an organised gathering under the Health Protection Regulations"? Sounds very unfair for someone in an unanticipated situation.
I don't see how he can possibly be guilty of that if the article is an accurate description of what happened. He clearly did not organise a gathering for more than 30 people and I fail to see how he could have "facilitated" it if he closed it at the point at which it was clear that the law would be broken. If it's closed then those there are trespassers so he isn't facilitating anything.Exige77 said:
It’s not that difficult to understand.
Each gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
We should all be very scaredEach gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
..not as scared though as getting bowel cancer as all screening been cancelled since March..according to cancer uk an additional 10k deaths in 6 months through lack of surgery(bowel cancer only 2nd biggest killer too)..also 1mln women missing breast scanning..dont see much on the Beeb etc about that as that doesnt fit the agenda ..its that dodgy virus killing everyone...GroundZero said:
Latest virus info : 7,143 new cases and 71 new deaths in the United Kingdom
Of those 71 new deaths how can you be certain on your claims of "zero" ?
Answer : you can't and neither can government or society as a whole. As such there should be personal and collective responsibility to keep infection rate as low as possible until a vaccine or existing medicines can reduce death rate to a societal acceptable level(1).
(1) What that level is, will of course be different to each individual. However as has been mentioned on the debate in the past is that with this new virus the lasting effects are an unknown with new evidence arriving daily. Some people, even after easily fighting off the virus and 'recovering' months ago are finding ongoing health issues. With this unknown element of the virus it is a reasonable position to assume that if we headed for "herd immunity" and accepted large scale infections, then who is to say that months or years down the line that the UK population would be facing a huge health crisis due to Covid-19 lasting effects? Too late to be doing anything by then and people would be riling in anger that measures were not taken in the present day.
Then there is the case that with large scale infection it would be inevitable that it would find its way in to care homes and other vulnerable where once again there will be elderly and others dying well before their time.
To take that position is irresponsible, incompassionate and shows nothing other than pure selfishness.
But this has to be balanced against the economy. And that is what the government's impossible position is at the moment. It is also what is driving childish partisan positions on viewpoints regarding the virus.
The main problem however is that each time the government passes responsibility of one's own actions to the public, they simply become careless, self centered and ignorant of the situation in catching and spreading the virus.
We have seen time and time again over the past few months that if people are given their freedoms, too many simply abuse them. Beaches, night clubs, bars, house parties, university parties, protest gatherings etc.
So how can any nation fight such a virus when a significant amount of the population are just plain self-centered ignorant hypocritical imbeciles fuelled by partisan agendas like the media always is ?
Very well put. This sums up the UKs position nicely. Not a good reflection on the UK as a community, embarrassing even.Of those 71 new deaths how can you be certain on your claims of "zero" ?
Answer : you can't and neither can government or society as a whole. As such there should be personal and collective responsibility to keep infection rate as low as possible until a vaccine or existing medicines can reduce death rate to a societal acceptable level(1).
(1) What that level is, will of course be different to each individual. However as has been mentioned on the debate in the past is that with this new virus the lasting effects are an unknown with new evidence arriving daily. Some people, even after easily fighting off the virus and 'recovering' months ago are finding ongoing health issues. With this unknown element of the virus it is a reasonable position to assume that if we headed for "herd immunity" and accepted large scale infections, then who is to say that months or years down the line that the UK population would be facing a huge health crisis due to Covid-19 lasting effects? Too late to be doing anything by then and people would be riling in anger that measures were not taken in the present day.
Then there is the case that with large scale infection it would be inevitable that it would find its way in to care homes and other vulnerable where once again there will be elderly and others dying well before their time.
To take that position is irresponsible, incompassionate and shows nothing other than pure selfishness.
But this has to be balanced against the economy. And that is what the government's impossible position is at the moment. It is also what is driving childish partisan positions on viewpoints regarding the virus.
The main problem however is that each time the government passes responsibility of one's own actions to the public, they simply become careless, self centered and ignorant of the situation in catching and spreading the virus.
We have seen time and time again over the past few months that if people are given their freedoms, too many simply abuse them. Beaches, night clubs, bars, house parties, university parties, protest gatherings etc.
So how can any nation fight such a virus when a significant amount of the population are just plain self-centered ignorant hypocritical imbeciles fuelled by partisan agendas like the media always is ?
Edited by GroundZero on Wednesday 30th September 09:20
kayc said:
Exige77 said:
It’s not that difficult to understand.
Each gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
We should all be very scaredEach gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
..not as scared though as getting bowel cancer as all screening been cancelled since March..according to cancer uk an additional 10k deaths in 6 months through lack of surgery(bowel cancer only 2nd biggest killer too)..also 1mln women missing breast scanning..dont see much on the Beeb etc about that as that doesnt fit the agenda ..its that dodgy virus killing everyone...My father died as an indirect result of COVID - sent home early with collapsed lung as they needed the beds for a wave of COVID patients that never arrived. I'm not cross...everyone was doing the best they could at the time. We've not had a ceremony yet - months later - we're simply waiting until we can have a gathering that doesn't put other folks at risk like most sensible people will.
The UK is far too full of entitled people.
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
kayc said:
Exige77 said:
It’s not that difficult to understand.
Each gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
We should all be very scaredEach gathering has a “very low” probability of spreading the virus but collectively, many of these gatherings up and down the country pose a significant risk in spreading the virus.
The numbers are the numbers and the virus is spreading again.
..not as scared though as getting bowel cancer as all screening been cancelled since March..according to cancer uk an additional 10k deaths in 6 months through lack of surgery(bowel cancer only 2nd biggest killer too)..also 1mln women missing breast scanning..dont see much on the Beeb etc about that as that doesnt fit the agenda ..its that dodgy virus killing everyone...My father died as an indirect result of COVID - sent home early with collapsed lung as they needed the beds for a wave of COVID patients that never arrived. I'm not cross...everyone was doing the best they could at the time. We've not had a ceremony yet - months later - we're simply waiting until we can have a gathering that doesn't put other folks at risk like most sensible people will.
The UK is far too full of entitled people.
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