George Floyd alleged Killer Released
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1313901962748997632...
How can you be accused of killing someone but be out on bail ? Only in America
How can you be accused of killing someone but be out on bail ? Only in America
Edited by roops.mod on Wednesday 7th October 20:47
Not-The-Messiah said:
I thought this site had rules on libellous posts?
He is an alleged murderer.
Surely it all being filmed for the world to see how long it went on for then how could he not be guilty? I get that he may have been a dangerous man but this has all gone through trial of media and social media. Are people defending him then? He is an alleged murderer.
Must have opened a can of worms here and shocked nobody else thinks it’s a bad idea to release him not only as it would be so difficult to argue his innocence but for his own safety after all the attention
nick30 said:
Ok I just find it hard to believe he can be released but if sentencing isn’t until March I doubt he will make it that far given how hated he is over this
If you read the link you posted the TRIAL is in March. Not the sentencing. He is currently innocent until and unless he is proven guiltynick30 said:
Surely it all being filmed for the world to see how long it went on for then how could he not be guilty? I get that he may have been a dangerous man but this has all gone through trial of media and social media. Are people defending him then?
Must have opened a can of worms here and shocked nobody else thinks it’s a bad idea to release him not only as it would be so difficult to argue his innocence but for his own safety after all the attention
Until proven guilty in a court of law he is presumed ‘innocent’Must have opened a can of worms here and shocked nobody else thinks it’s a bad idea to release him not only as it would be so difficult to argue his innocence but for his own safety after all the attention
I’d also wager that he’s as safe on the outside as he is on the inside, probably quite a few people willing to shank a locked up copper inside.
nick30 said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
I thought this site had rules on libellous posts?
He is an alleged murderer.
Surely it all being filmed for the world to see how long it went on for then how could he not be guilty? I get that he may have been a dangerous man but this has all gone through trial of media and social media. Are people defending him then? He is an alleged murderer.
Must have opened a can of worms here and shocked nobody else thinks it’s a bad idea to release him not only as it would be so difficult to argue his innocence but for his own safety after all the attention
Derek Smith said:
nick30 said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
I thought this site had rules on libellous posts?
He is an alleged murderer.
Surely it all being filmed for the world to see how long it went on for then how could he not be guilty? I get that he may have been a dangerous man but this has all gone through trial of media and social media. Are people defending him then? He is an alleged murderer.
Must have opened a can of worms here and shocked nobody else thinks it’s a bad idea to release him not only as it would be so difficult to argue his innocence but for his own safety after all the attention
nick30 said:
Someone delete this thread - he is innocent!
Wow
Hope you never end up on a jury for someone subjected to trial by media. You clearly would have no interest in learning of any facts that may exist beyond what you have seen on a lousy phone video. You have made your mind up already.Wow
Wow indeed.
stemll said:
nick30 said:
Someone delete this thread - he is innocent!
Wow
Hope you never end up on a jury for someone subjected to trial by media. You clearly would have no interest in learning of any facts that may exist beyond what you have seen on a lousy phone video. You have made your mind up already.Wow
Wow indeed.
stemll said:
nick30 said:
Someone delete this thread - he is innocent!
Wow
Hope you never end up on a jury for someone subjected to trial by media. You clearly would have no interest in learning of any facts that may exist beyond what you have seen on a lousy phone video. You have made your mind up already.Wow
Wow indeed.
I cannot believe nobody here is shocked and seems like people are defending him whilst shooting me down for sharing it. I have apologised for the title by thanks to Derek for explaining and I continue to get a drumming. No wonder I very rarely post on these viscous forums
Derek Smith said:
He'll have a defence. While there seems to be little doubt that he killed Floyd, murder requires more evidence.
His defense includes that he didn't kill him, the drugs he had taken did. I also suspect he will argue he was not intending to kill him, rather restraining him because he was going crazy, because of all the drugs he had taken. I don't know if that is reasonable or not, but it seem that there is evidence of that, so I would say "little doubt" is far from accurate.There is doubt. I can't believe the poster above who says that the trail by social media is over so it's cut and dried, maybe I need a parrot but that is a unfathomable suggestion.Maybe that good old fashioned court trial where all the evidence is considered by an impartial and objective jury can weigh up both sides; until such a point, not a murderer and a big doubt exists, not a little doubt.
"defense claims that Floyd died of complications stemming from a drug overdose while in the custody of Minneapolis police officers in May."
"Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.
In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
The rush to insist, without question, that he was murdered and secondly he was murdered because he was black still amazes me. Anyone I rate who I discuss this with agrees, the knee jerk reaction to "racist murder" is completely inappropriate. It's emperors new clothes stuff.
The "hands up down shoot" narrative from Ferguson MI which turned out, after 3 separate investigations to be a total lie and the shooting a legitimate police action by a police officer acting correctly, is also one that everyone conveniently ignores. So the lesson wasn't learnt then, that no one should jump to conclusions based on social media outrage and s
t stirring MSM?"The Justice Department has concluded that Wilson acted out of self-defense, and was justified in killing Brown."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...
I was banned from another forum for saying this, even though it's true. Apparently it's fine to say Derek Chavin is a murderer though despite , at the moment, that being untrue.
nick30 said:
stemll said:
nick30 said:
Someone delete this thread - he is innocent!
Wow
Hope you never end up on a jury for someone subjected to trial by media. You clearly would have no interest in learning of any facts that may exist beyond what you have seen on a lousy phone video. You have made your mind up already.Wow
Wow indeed.
I cannot believe nobody here is shocked and seems like people are defending him whilst shooting me down for sharing it. I have apologised for the title by thanks to Derek for explaining and I continue to get a drumming. No wonder I very rarely post on these viscous forums
You have also not seen all of the evidence but you have already decided what conclusion the court should come to based on a phone video which is why you should have no place on any jury in any court. Prejudice has no place in a courtroom.
BTW, there is only one feature of this thread that is viscous.
nick30 said:
What makes you think he is innocent?
I cannot believe nobody here is shocked and seems like people are defending him whilst shooting me down for sharing it. I have apologised for the title by thanks to Derek for explaining and I continue to get a drumming. No wonder I very rarely post on these viscous forums
1) The point is that he is legally presumed innocent.I cannot believe nobody here is shocked and seems like people are defending him whilst shooting me down for sharing it. I have apologised for the title by thanks to Derek for explaining and I continue to get a drumming. No wonder I very rarely post on these viscous forums
2) The court can't say 'we know we are supposed to presume innocence until proved guilty but what we saw on the telly convinces us he's a bad un so we won't give him bail'. The decision is made according to flight risk and the question of guilt or innocence left to the jury.
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