997.2 GT3 RS or 991.2 GT3?
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the perfect 2
very very hard, you just need to go with your heart.
the 991.2 is better in every way of course, but there is a draw to the 997.2 RS.
RS are iconic, but if really DO WANT to use it, then I would say 991.2 manual.
only you can choose as they are amazing. (would you change the shocks on the 997 ? )
My personal caveet was if I got the 997 I would change the shocks in it.
they will go back to £200k one day also unless we really are at the last of ICE cars and future long term values are worthless.
very very hard, you just need to go with your heart.
the 991.2 is better in every way of course, but there is a draw to the 997.2 RS.
RS are iconic, but if really DO WANT to use it, then I would say 991.2 manual.
only you can choose as they are amazing. (would you change the shocks on the 997 ? )
My personal caveet was if I got the 997 I would change the shocks in it.
they will go back to £200k one day also unless we really are at the last of ICE cars and future long term values are worthless.
IMI A said:
I'd love to pick the 997.2 GT3 RS but I'd go for the lighter clutch in 991.2 GT3.
that is a good point, it's also another reason I don't own a 997.2 non RS.I went for a hoon in mine yesterday and that engine still blows me away, A Mezger while again iconic and "race" will not blow you away when you press the throttle like the new one will. The gear change is old and feels it, the PASM is crap. I cannot fault the new car and that's pretty rare, but it's not a RS.
I considered the 991.2 but not for long. 997.2 RS is the one to have, unless you want to daily drive it, in which case I think the 991.2 would be a better package to live with.
I always look back when walking away and barely browse the classifieds anymore.
Metzger music is magic, and with a few exhaust tweaks, it starts the magic at 4.5k and the gearing lets you have a bit of fun at road speeds.
To R's point above, i expected to feel it needed better damping for track work. You definitely could do that but the standard stuff is a great road / track compromise and I would be very wary of ruining the car on road with stiffer springs etc. Lift is handy in allowing you to run a nice low front ride height.
Both absolutely wonderful cars. I expect the 992 is as well but we are on borrowed time and I think we may have peaked.
I always look back when walking away and barely browse the classifieds anymore.
Metzger music is magic, and with a few exhaust tweaks, it starts the magic at 4.5k and the gearing lets you have a bit of fun at road speeds.
To R's point above, i expected to feel it needed better damping for track work. You definitely could do that but the standard stuff is a great road / track compromise and I would be very wary of ruining the car on road with stiffer springs etc. Lift is handy in allowing you to run a nice low front ride height.
Both absolutely wonderful cars. I expect the 992 is as well but we are on borrowed time and I think we may have peaked.
Its a really difficult one that choice as in my fantasy garage both will easily get in. Conversely both cars for me only really come alive and start making sense properly on circuit but am I going to risk an RS on circuit today? I'd end up with a 964/993 rs for this reason as brilliant on road at more accessible speeds. I did actually make this choice and saved myself a few quid buying a hot rod made by 9m. Very happy I went with the 993 whilst the 997 RS is one of my all time faves I'd walk straight past it for a go in my 993 if I only had one tank of fuel left and my fave b road to nowhere 
They are both brilliant cars. If I had to sell one, the 991.2 would go before the RS though. I do prefer that the RS is more old-school and feels closer to the Cup car of its time. The 1.2 is in "objective" terms the better car, more polished and difficult to fault. Best to work on your man math and get both
It depends what you want from a car I suppose. The 991.2 is more polished, more refined and easier to drive quickly. And it is in absolute terms pretty rapid. The 7.2rs is imo (considerably) more special to drive and requires more effort to be quick. There isn't necessarily a 'right' choice.
isaldiri said:
It depends what you want from a car I suppose. The 991.2 is more polished, more refined and easier to drive quickly. And it is in absolute terms pretty rapid. The 7.2rs is imo (considerably) more special to drive and requires more effort to be quick. There isn't necessarily a 'right' choice.
I don't think any thing is easy to drive quicker, faster cars are harder to drive at the level these car do.I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is b
ks.drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
hornbaek said:
Had both a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and a 991.1 GT3 RS. Sold the 991 RS this summer. There will always be a quicker GT3 RS coming along but there will always only be a 997 GT3 RS (4.0). Manual, raw and quick enough.
PDK is cheating though, so would not even entertain owning one.Porsche911R said:
I don't think any thing is easy to drive quicker, faster cars are harder to drive at the level these car do.
I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is bks.
drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
Does the 991.2 have RWS? I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is b
ks.drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
Porsche911R said:
I don't think any thing is easy to drive quicker, faster cars are harder to drive at the level these car do.
I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is bks.
drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
Drive a 7.2rs at 7:32 at the ring then since it's so easy apparently. You wouldn't even get within a minute nevermind 30s and that time was set on cup+ tyres with much older tarmac and a slower driver. I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is b
ks.drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
You consistently miss the point about the 'easy to drive' statement. Yes it's more difficult to drive in absolute terms as overall speeds go up but it's (far) easier to get close to a professional driver's time in the 991.2 than a 997.2 or 996. The 991 is much faster on the straights which I tend to find doesn't exactly need a lot of brain effort. It's not so obviously quicker in corner speeds compared to the older cars where you would need a bit more grey matter.
Steve Rance said:
Porsche911R said:
I don't think any thing is easy to drive quicker, faster cars are harder to drive at the level these car do.
I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is bks.
drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
Does the 991.2 have RWS? I cannot drive the 991.2 GT3 at 99% it's too hard core at these level so all this "easier to drive " stuff is b
ks.drive both at 99% the new car will take more effort , ie. more brain effort as it's so fast which then takes a lot more skill to drive at 99% as every thing is happening faster which makes it a lot harder to get to the level the car can do.
my 996 GT3 was easier to drive as it felt so slow and lacked any real power and you could wot it every where.
go do a ring GT3 991.2 lap at 7.14 seconds in a manual and tell me that was easy to drive. !!!!! you won't even get within 30 seconds.
Rather it had no RWS although the manual has less than the PDK and ofcourse the real diff over the e-diff.
def don't make it easier to drive, but it might shorten the wheel base on the road to get round a round about !!!
I think due to the big increase in performance it's quite hard to drive very fast and the workload gets higher the faster you go. So it's a given it's harder to drive then for an advanced driver just due to the speed, as an advanced drivers know how to drive a car fast, so faster is harder yet again.
no novice is jumping into a 991.2 GT3 at donny and doing a 1.15 lap because it's so called easy to drive due to RWS lol.
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