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chris's panther samuri has a cvh 1.8 but from what ive seen there are very few interchangeable parts between 1.8s and 1.6's - fitted 2 in westfields with sierra 5 speed boxes [think they were pinto box's] without hassle so its a real possibility - fords seem to be very modular most stuff will bolt to most stuff
logically looking at clutch sizes pressure plate sizes etc
splines of gearbox match clutch holes in pressure plate match flywheel then all you need is to match sizes if theyre same great if not read a qh parts book gives sizes splines etc
then use thrust bearing to match one or the other that seems to be the most suck it and see area along with what clutch cable to use
if its auto hmmmmm i dunno but if a pinto manual bolts to a cvh then why shouldnt an auto????
this seems to be a game of trying engines on the floor see if they fit and if so write an article for the mag
especially from an auto point of view
small fact - c3 uses bigger prop joint than escort box was under comparing today
[amidst various swearing] lol
logically looking at clutch sizes pressure plate sizes etc
splines of gearbox match clutch holes in pressure plate match flywheel then all you need is to match sizes if theyre same great if not read a qh parts book gives sizes splines etc
then use thrust bearing to match one or the other that seems to be the most suck it and see area along with what clutch cable to use
if its auto hmmmmm i dunno but if a pinto manual bolts to a cvh then why shouldnt an auto????
this seems to be a game of trying engines on the floor see if they fit and if so write an article for the mag
especially from an auto point of view
small fact - c3 uses bigger prop joint than escort box was under comparing today
[amidst various swearing] lol
An auto should be easier because I seem to recall the front wheel drive cvh has not got a gearbox spigot bearing.
Probably you could use the flex plate and torque converter from a front wheel drive mated onto a C3 box the first thing to establish would be if both front wheel drive box and C3 use an oil seal with the same internal diameter. If they do you will be in business.
Probably you could use the flex plate and torque converter from a front wheel drive mated onto a C3 box the first thing to establish would be if both front wheel drive box and C3 use an oil seal with the same internal diameter. If they do you will be in business.
For some reason when Ford turned the CVH round and bored it our something went a bit pear-shaped , I know of a couple of correctly maintained 1.8 sierras that threw their belts and self distructed big style!
Going back about 6/7 years certainly round here good S/H 1.8's were like the proverbial rocking horse "do" as a few tended to burn oil rather dramatically compared with the smaller capacity lumps , guess they are now all in the "banger" category which makes them ideal donor vehicles as long as you can get round the rubber donut prop joint problem.
For my sins I have to use the 1.6 version for my planned project DrSeg has done the "turned-around 1.6 in the past in a couple of "7" projects so no doubt I will be bugging him even more than normal over the months ahead!
Mark
Going back about 6/7 years certainly round here good S/H 1.8's were like the proverbial rocking horse "do" as a few tended to burn oil rather dramatically compared with the smaller capacity lumps , guess they are now all in the "banger" category which makes them ideal donor vehicles as long as you can get round the rubber donut prop joint problem.
For my sins I have to use the 1.6 version for my planned project DrSeg has done the "turned-around 1.6 in the past in a couple of "7" projects so no doubt I will be bugging him even more than normal over the months ahead!
Mark
Gee I really needed to know that - I know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - no sign of smoke on the thrash home - fingers Xed etc.
On the Doughnut problem - According to the Locost site a Transit propshaft has the correct splines and UJ to overcome the problem - also mentioned Sherpas but some of them have Tranny running gear - still I shall give a Tranny prop a try.
Thinking about the 7 solution to fitting the CVH probably you will have to move the battery and maybe deepen that well to accomodate the dissy. I saw a pic of a Westfield with a box let into the bulkhead which was removable to access the dissy cap.
Just thinking the CVH is shorter - so does that mean I will be able to use Xflow mountings without making the adapter plates to move it back an inch?
On the Doughnut problem - According to the Locost site a Transit propshaft has the correct splines and UJ to overcome the problem - also mentioned Sherpas but some of them have Tranny running gear - still I shall give a Tranny prop a try.
Thinking about the 7 solution to fitting the CVH probably you will have to move the battery and maybe deepen that well to accomodate the dissy. I saw a pic of a Westfield with a box let into the bulkhead which was removable to access the dissy cap.
Just thinking the CVH is shorter - so does that mean I will be able to use Xflow mountings without making the adapter plates to move it back an inch?
cheers Mark theres a guy 200 yds from here with at least 3 grannys
hmmm jon unknown ground
cant remember a cvh geep
are there any?
CHRIS help!!! lol
i'd figure same hassle fitting in a sammi as a geep
so chris's sammi experience may be of help
especially from an engine /gearbox mount angle
prop too may be fun
if its a mk 2 based one with damned staved in joints
right pain they are
more good luck to you m8
hmmm jon unknown ground
cant remember a cvh geep
are there any?
CHRIS help!!! lol
i'd figure same hassle fitting in a sammi as a geep
so chris's sammi experience may be of help
especially from an engine /gearbox mount angle
prop too may be fun
if its a mk 2 based one with damned staved in joints
right pain they are
more good luck to you m8
Theoretically the vehicle to engine mount position for the 1.8 CVH should be in the same position as on a Pinto engined Sierra and require similar mods.
Personally I would go with lowering the engine/box in to get chosen prop in situ assuming bulkhead clearance is ok then make up mounts to suit , that will be a lot easier and cheaper than having bespoke prop made to fit.
Personally I would go with lowering the engine/box in to get chosen prop in situ assuming bulkhead clearance is ok then make up mounts to suit , that will be a lot easier and cheaper than having bespoke prop made to fit.
I know even with the slight bit extra room under Panthers bonnet compared to a Geep/Sandero I had to cut back into the bulkhead a fair bit to accomodate the 1.8 CVH I fitted. Also had to modify the gearbox tunnel.
I know it is not the favorite engine for most folks but all I can say is it works in Panther
It is better if you can get both the engine and box as a unit. I found on Panther it required the V6 Cortina (auto) radiator to keep the engine from frying itself (it is the manaul box by the way).
In fact I keep meaning to use the tester at work just to see what temperature it does run at as even though I thought I had fitted the right sender for the Escort temp guage it usually runs at the very top of the "normal" sector.
Will try to make the effort to check it and let you know what temperature the engine does run at.
Oh yes Ford in their wisdom fitted a metal coolant pipe that on the Sierra went out towards the passenger inner wing. We dont have the luxury of enough space under a Sammie or Geep bonnet.
I had to have a pipe bespoked to do the job which just skims past the rear of the alternator. All good fun.
>> Edited by techsec on Wednesday 29th June 23:16
I know it is not the favorite engine for most folks but all I can say is it works in Panther
It is better if you can get both the engine and box as a unit. I found on Panther it required the V6 Cortina (auto) radiator to keep the engine from frying itself (it is the manaul box by the way).
In fact I keep meaning to use the tester at work just to see what temperature it does run at as even though I thought I had fitted the right sender for the Escort temp guage it usually runs at the very top of the "normal" sector.
Will try to make the effort to check it and let you know what temperature the engine does run at.
Oh yes Ford in their wisdom fitted a metal coolant pipe that on the Sierra went out towards the passenger inner wing. We dont have the luxury of enough space under a Sammie or Geep bonnet.
I had to have a pipe bespoked to do the job which just skims past the rear of the alternator. All good fun.
>> Edited by techsec on Wednesday 29th June 23:16
i got a laser temp guage thingy if thats of any use chris
bought for my r/c truck but its accuracy is pretty close to 300 quids worth of kit the shop i bought it from has
just say the word if you wanna play with it
ive started with it on real cars pointing it at temp sender units
usually pretty high on engine and a sort of stable point of reference
well thats my theory anyway - lol
bought for my r/c truck but its accuracy is pretty close to 300 quids worth of kit the shop i bought it from has
just say the word if you wanna play with it
ive started with it on real cars pointing it at temp sender units
usually pretty high on engine and a sort of stable point of reference
well thats my theory anyway - lol
www.sylva.co.uk/cvh.html
Stick wi' Swizz.
All the info for turning it north/south is here - including the spigot bearing. Contrary to moving the alternator though, i've seen a locost website where the guy designed a bracket to mount under & around the alternator to keep its original location.
Also, the engine mountings are further forward as Chris mentioned on a previous thread, which means that the gearbox mounts share more of the load.
Right, back to the rain n beach lol
Swizz live from S.Wales (Carmarthen Library to be exact)
Stick wi' Swizz.
All the info for turning it north/south is here - including the spigot bearing. Contrary to moving the alternator though, i've seen a locost website where the guy designed a bracket to mount under & around the alternator to keep its original location.
Also, the engine mountings are further forward as Chris mentioned on a previous thread, which means that the gearbox mounts share more of the load.
Right, back to the rain n beach lol
Swizz live from S.Wales (Carmarthen Library to be exact)
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