Interesting house offer?
Interesting house offer?
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Julia121

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336 posts

83 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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We are soon to be blessed with travellers moving in next door and since the word's got out who's moving in I've been similarly blessed with other traveller families trying to buy this property. Some of them are established in the next village and no one has reported any problems.

A couple of these families have approached me regarding selling this with offers of 80% cash and we could live here for a year free. Well that's not going to happen but given they're open to negotiation I was pondering taking the 80% and the other 20% paid over the next four years. Obviously this will all be done through a solicitor and they won't get the title until it's been paid in full.

This is not going to be a case of the house price falls and never recovers. It's a temporary blip, travellers or not.

What do we think?

SimonTheSailor

13,003 posts

257 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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I would say run, run away, but you can't as you live there.

Where does the 'cash' come from ? Is it legit money ?

Knowing some horror stories of travellers buying places and then hassling the people afterwards, I would want the full asking price plus 10%.

  • Apologies to legit hardworking genuine travelling folk*.

JQ

6,801 posts

208 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Would you pay 80% of the price for a house and accept not being provided with legal title - no, I wouldn't either.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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I think, OP, you have misunderstood the nature of their offer; it is for 80% of your asking price/valuation - you will never see another penny.

If the 80% works for you, take the money and move on.

Pit Pony

11,261 posts

150 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Tell them the figure you'd like, and that the cash would need to pass the proceeds of crime , money laundering regulations. That is your solicitor would employ a qualified auditor to check that UK tax had been paid on it.
And you'd add the cost of that to the price.
Mention that you work for Action Fraud. And that your wife is a plain clothes police officer, looking into agricultural equipment theft.

Muzzer79

13,072 posts

216 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Julia121 said:
We are soon to be blessed with travellers moving in next door and since the word's got out who's moving in I've been similarly blessed with other traveller families trying to buy this property. Some of them are established in the next village and no one has reported any problems.

A couple of these families have approached me regarding selling this with offers of 80% cash and we could live here for a year free. Well that's not going to happen but given they're open to negotiation I was pondering taking the 80% and the other 20% paid over the next four years. Obviously this will all be done through a solicitor and they won't get the title until it's been paid in full.

This is not going to be a case of the house price falls and never recovers. It's a temporary blip, travellers or not.

What do we think?
Are you mad?

If you accept taking 80% at any point, that's all you'll ever see. If you're lucky.

Run as fast as you can. Perhaps seriously, because an offer from these folk can quickly become something they give you little choice in.



Captain Raymond Holt

12,423 posts

223 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Hmmm I expect you’d see more ‘missing dog’ posters going up.


I also expect the solicitor will have fun doing the AML/source of funds checks...

98elise

32,572 posts

190 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Would you enter into this agreement with any normal buyer? If not then it's madness to do it with travellers.

Andeh1

7,597 posts

235 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Negotiate, but don't under estimate the impact on house value if they decide to try and play silly buggers, and force you out by devaluing your property.

Pit Pony

11,261 posts

150 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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My uncle once made an offer to buy a house via his solicitor so the vendor did not know who had made the offer.

It was the house next door, who had blocked some planning permission.

The neighbour, came and mentioned it, and my uncle played along, pretending to panic. Maybe it's a property developer, wanting to build flats next door to me. Please don't sell. It would blight our house, reduce the value.

The bd accepted the offer.

Condi

20,341 posts

200 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Pit Pony said:
My uncle once made an offer to buy a house via his solicitor so the vendor did not know who had made the offer.

It was the house next door, who had blocked some planning permission.

The neighbour, came and mentioned it, and my uncle played along, pretending to panic. Maybe it's a property developer, wanting to build flats next door to me. Please don't sell. It would blight our house, reduce the value.

The bd accepted the offer.
Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems a very expensive way to get planning.

loskie

7,094 posts

149 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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tell them you want a sum of 140% of what you actually want. They will haggle you down to what you want and they will be blissfully happy

xx99xx

2,992 posts

102 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Nope, it's not for me. I wouldn't buy or sell anything to travellers, nevermind something as important like your home!

The dilemma is would your house be harder to sell in the future with travellers next door (and the stereotypical accessories that accompany them...caravans, 4x4s, trucks, etc)? What's the on street parking like at the moment?

Pit Pony

11,261 posts

150 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Condi said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems a very expensive way to get planning.
I think he thought he would make more money from cutting of the ends of 2 gardens plots and making the garden of the new house he was planning much bigger, but that he could sell both original houses with no reduction in value, because the gardens were still big.



85Carrera

3,503 posts

266 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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MercScot said:
I think, OP, you have misunderstood the nature of their offer; it is for 80% of your asking price/valuation - you will never see another penny.

If the 80% works for you, take the money and move on.
20% drop in price with s living next door is as probably as good a result as you could hope for

85Carrera

3,503 posts

266 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Pit Pony said:
My uncle once made an offer to buy a house via his solicitor so the vendor did not know who had made the offer.

It was the house next door, who had blocked some planning permission.

The neighbour, came and mentioned it, and my uncle played along, pretending to panic. Maybe it's a property developer, wanting to build flats next door to me. Please don't sell. It would blight our house, reduce the value.

The bd accepted the offer.
Of course he did rolleyes

leef44

5,187 posts

182 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Pit Pony said:
Tell them the figure you'd like, and that the cash would need to pass the proceeds of crime , money laundering regulations. That is your solicitor would employ a qualified auditor to check that UK tax had been paid on it.
And you'd add the cost of that to the price.
Mention that you work for Action Fraud. And that your wife is a plain clothes police officer, looking into agricultural equipment theft.
They will reply, well I'm a traveller, that's equivalent to diplomatic immunity.

red_slr

20,696 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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My advice.

Get your house on the market ASAP and get it sold to a normal buyer.

Go into rented for 6 months if you cant find anything to buy. Seriously.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Julia121 said:
A couple of these families have approached me regarding selling this with offers of 80% cash and we could live here for a year free.
How about 100% cash and you could move out immediately?

NB Is there not a limit on how much actual cash is legal tender? £20K seems to ring a bell.

red_slr

20,696 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Simpo Two said:
NB Is there not a limit on how much actual cash is legal tender? £20K seems to ring a bell.
No, in notes you can pay any sum as legal tender in England.

If its going through a bank or financial body then they must report any sum paid cash over a set limit in accordance with AML. Most financial institutions will have a set of questions they will ask before accepting it into their custody too.

Most solicitors will not deal with any cash, not even 20 quid.