Operations and Data Assistant job - no British applying!
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https://www.indeed.co.uk/company/Study-&-Caree...
You could be right. I've only just taken responsibility for this and feel the Job Ad needs a re-write and would sit better within the IT team.
You could be right. I've only just taken responsibility for this and feel the Job Ad needs a re-write and would sit better within the IT team.
Countdown said:
Not sure if it helps but we pay between £30k - £35k for somebody with that skillset. She's really good with SQL. Also she's chinese.
Yes that helps, thanks. We've interviewed a Chinese lady last week who was really good. I might need to go back and redefine the role and push for an increase in salary.page3 said:
We've had some pretty good (but not great) candidates and certainly having a multi-nationality workforce is a good thing, but I'm surprised we've had exactly no British applicants.
Is anyone else finding this?
£22-£24K, based in Oxford (inc. home working). Excel, SQL + PowerBI.
Tbf You haven't given us the job spec, but that doesn't sound a very good salary - even before you consider the location.Is anyone else finding this?
£22-£24K, based in Oxford (inc. home working). Excel, SQL + PowerBI.
OK thanks, after having a read through here are some thoughts:
£22,000 - £24,500 a year - Full-time, Part-time, Permanent
- Is it a full-time or a part-time role? Job share? That's a bit confusing straightaway.
I suppose it's being paid as an entry-level IT role but requires some sought-after skills (T-SQL and PowerBI) but also some skills I'd consider rather out of date (Excel/VBA). If you know SQL in any depth and have a reasonable understanding of PowerBI you'll be commanding a greater salary than this quite easily (I'd have thought) - and probably won't want to be performing "general administrative and office duties"
whatever that entails (making coffee??)
Excel/VBA - plenty of hobbyists out there who could cope with this but they probably have greater aspirations than an admin role.
If I was applying for the job I'd want to transform the data flow through the organisation so it wouldn't rely on spreadsheets and VBA BTW
Not sure about whether the role should sit within the IT department vs. anywhere else. Probably not relevant for the applicant.
£22,000 - £24,500 a year - Full-time, Part-time, Permanent
- Is it a full-time or a part-time role? Job share? That's a bit confusing straightaway.
I suppose it's being paid as an entry-level IT role but requires some sought-after skills (T-SQL and PowerBI) but also some skills I'd consider rather out of date (Excel/VBA). If you know SQL in any depth and have a reasonable understanding of PowerBI you'll be commanding a greater salary than this quite easily (I'd have thought) - and probably won't want to be performing "general administrative and office duties"
whatever that entails (making coffee??) Excel/VBA - plenty of hobbyists out there who could cope with this but they probably have greater aspirations than an admin role.
If I was applying for the job I'd want to transform the data flow through the organisation so it wouldn't rely on spreadsheets and VBA BTW
Not sure about whether the role should sit within the IT department vs. anywhere else. Probably not relevant for the applicant.
My wife started as a operations and data admin’, she had precisely none of those skills and a bit less in North Wales, but a very similar job role.
She now has most of those skills, no degree and earns more, within 2 years.
The salary is far too low, for Oxford as well, you’d have to live miles away or in shared housing ...
She now has most of those skills, no degree and earns more, within 2 years.
The salary is far too low, for Oxford as well, you’d have to live miles away or in shared housing ...
skinnyman said:
You want someone with advanced Excel skills, including the ability to write macros, preferably degree educated, for £22k.
That's why.
This. Plus, in a notoriously expensive area to live. Plus you offer no suggestion that this is a job with good progression, or just a dead-end admin job.That's why.
Lord.Vader said:
The salary is far too low, for Oxford as well, you’d have to live miles away or in shared housing ...
Indeed. My OH lived in Oxford for a few months back in 2009. She was on £40k back then and had to live in a house share as accommodation was so expensive. She gave it up as a bad job and came back to Yorkshire where she could earn almost as much and rent a whole house for less than a room in Oxford.I’d pitch it differently, and I’m not sure you need to pay big bucks.
It looks like an ideal entry level job for an enthusiastic beginner. An enthusiastic beginner will learn Excel macro programming in a week, it really isn’t hard. Ditto SQL. Rather than saying you want the fully formed person, state that you’re willing to send them on a crash course.
IMO anyone who is highly skilled and has decided to make a career out of Excel macros will cost you a lot more and is very “niche” (and weird!)).
This is a job that your beginner should get to grips with and automate the s
t out of in 12 months. It’s the kind of stuff we give our juniors and they come back in 6 months saying “yeah, that absorbs about 10% of my day now, what else do you want me to do”. You can then pay them bigger bucks to do harder stuff as well.
The rationale for people applying may go like this:
- People with computer science degrees wouldn’t even look at this.
- Techy school leavers would be put off by the requirements.
- You’re getting people applying who are just thinking of the job as a means to an end. Yeah, I can crank Excel, I’ll do this until something better comes along.
It looks like an ideal entry level job for an enthusiastic beginner. An enthusiastic beginner will learn Excel macro programming in a week, it really isn’t hard. Ditto SQL. Rather than saying you want the fully formed person, state that you’re willing to send them on a crash course.
IMO anyone who is highly skilled and has decided to make a career out of Excel macros will cost you a lot more and is very “niche” (and weird!)).
This is a job that your beginner should get to grips with and automate the s
t out of in 12 months. It’s the kind of stuff we give our juniors and they come back in 6 months saying “yeah, that absorbs about 10% of my day now, what else do you want me to do”. You can then pay them bigger bucks to do harder stuff as well. The rationale for people applying may go like this:
- People with computer science degrees wouldn’t even look at this.
- Techy school leavers would be put off by the requirements.
- You’re getting people applying who are just thinking of the job as a means to an end. Yeah, I can crank Excel, I’ll do this until something better comes along.
Edited by rxe on Monday 19th October 12:34
rxe said:
I’d pitch it differently, and I’m not sure you need to pay big bucks.
It looks like an ideal entry level job for an enthusiastic beginner. An enthusiastic beginner will learn Excel macro programming in a week, it really isn’t hard. Ditto SQL. Rather than saying you want the fully formed person, state that you’re willing to send them on a crash course.
IMO anyone who is highly skilled and has decided to make a career out of Excel macros will cost you a lot more and is very “niche” (and weird!)).
This is a job that your beginner should get to grips with and automate the st out of in 12 months. It’s the kind of stuff we give our juniors and they come back in 6 months saying “yeah, that absorbs about 10% of my day now, what else do you want me to do”. You can then pay them bigger bucks to do harder stuff as well.
The rationale for people applying may go like this:
- People with computer science degrees wouldn’t even look at this.
- Techy school leavers would be put off by the requirements.
- You’re getting people applying who are just thinking of the job as a means to an end. Yeah, I can crank Excel, I’ll do this until something better comes along.
Very good points here. It looks like an ideal entry level job for an enthusiastic beginner. An enthusiastic beginner will learn Excel macro programming in a week, it really isn’t hard. Ditto SQL. Rather than saying you want the fully formed person, state that you’re willing to send them on a crash course.
IMO anyone who is highly skilled and has decided to make a career out of Excel macros will cost you a lot more and is very “niche” (and weird!)).
This is a job that your beginner should get to grips with and automate the s
t out of in 12 months. It’s the kind of stuff we give our juniors and they come back in 6 months saying “yeah, that absorbs about 10% of my day now, what else do you want me to do”. You can then pay them bigger bucks to do harder stuff as well. The rationale for people applying may go like this:
- People with computer science degrees wouldn’t even look at this.
- Techy school leavers would be put off by the requirements.
- You’re getting people applying who are just thinking of the job as a means to an end. Yeah, I can crank Excel, I’ll do this until something better comes along.
Edited by rxe on Monday 19th October 12:34
I consider that a starting salary, for someone to them be trained in your requirements. It reads like you want someone already qualified. I'm sure that would be great, but you're not offering the right money for that.
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