PLEASE HELP!!! (Speeding and Dishonesty)
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Feel like a fool, but nevermind what has happened has happened. I've got a dilemma and I need as much help as I can get!
.........I was travelling down to Cardiff a few weeks back with a group of friends who hired out a vehicle. As my friend was tired halfway through the journey, I decided to take control of the car. However, I managed to get caught speeding at 115mph by a police officer with a Gatso gun. The officer immediately pulled me over and I gave my details and was told that I would have to attend court.
At the time, we hired out 2 cars, on one car we decided to have additional drivers added to the agreement (my car) and on the other only the named driver was allowed to drive (my friend's car). Now unfortunately due to the rush, our documents got mixed up and therefore, we had the agreement that did not possess additional drivers. Therefore this led to further problems……
In the panic, due to assuming that I was not insured (I was insured), I panicked and jumped to the conclusion that as a result of not being insured together with the speeding offence I would not be able to become a pilot. My freinds already knew that I've been working hard for the last 5 years to get where I am, and being just an arms length away from starting my pilot course, I took the advice of using my freinds details to avoid being penalised when it came to my career interviews or criminal checks.
Anyway, I falsified my details to the officer by giving the details of my freind (who was the named driver), however before I got out of the police car or should we say half-way through the discussion, I came back to my senses and told the police officer that I was lying to him and confessed by giving my real details.
Now I have two problems:
1. Speeding, and
2. Dishonesty.
Does anyone know if I could be charged for the dishonesty part as I did give my full details before I got out of the car? They didn't arrest or detain me, but before I lied they did tell me my rights but I presume this was with reference to the speeding. Also on the producer it only mentioned about my speeding, there was no mention of the dishnosty on the producer.
The problem, is that if I get charged for dishonesty I will never be able to become a pilot, if however I only get charged for speeding, then that is not much of a problem (bear in mind, I have never been in trouble with the law before, and have only now realised the seriousness of my actions after researching).
Can anyone shed light as to what I can do in regards to the above scenerio.
Also because this is my 1st driving offence and have had a clean driving licence for almost 5 years. What would I be potentially be looking at?
Thanks to all those that reply.
Fearless Soldier
.........I was travelling down to Cardiff a few weeks back with a group of friends who hired out a vehicle. As my friend was tired halfway through the journey, I decided to take control of the car. However, I managed to get caught speeding at 115mph by a police officer with a Gatso gun. The officer immediately pulled me over and I gave my details and was told that I would have to attend court.
At the time, we hired out 2 cars, on one car we decided to have additional drivers added to the agreement (my car) and on the other only the named driver was allowed to drive (my friend's car). Now unfortunately due to the rush, our documents got mixed up and therefore, we had the agreement that did not possess additional drivers. Therefore this led to further problems……
In the panic, due to assuming that I was not insured (I was insured), I panicked and jumped to the conclusion that as a result of not being insured together with the speeding offence I would not be able to become a pilot. My freinds already knew that I've been working hard for the last 5 years to get where I am, and being just an arms length away from starting my pilot course, I took the advice of using my freinds details to avoid being penalised when it came to my career interviews or criminal checks.
Anyway, I falsified my details to the officer by giving the details of my freind (who was the named driver), however before I got out of the police car or should we say half-way through the discussion, I came back to my senses and told the police officer that I was lying to him and confessed by giving my real details.
Now I have two problems:
1. Speeding, and
2. Dishonesty.
Does anyone know if I could be charged for the dishonesty part as I did give my full details before I got out of the car? They didn't arrest or detain me, but before I lied they did tell me my rights but I presume this was with reference to the speeding. Also on the producer it only mentioned about my speeding, there was no mention of the dishnosty on the producer.
The problem, is that if I get charged for dishonesty I will never be able to become a pilot, if however I only get charged for speeding, then that is not much of a problem (bear in mind, I have never been in trouble with the law before, and have only now realised the seriousness of my actions after researching).
Can anyone shed light as to what I can do in regards to the above scenerio.
Also because this is my 1st driving offence and have had a clean driving licence for almost 5 years. What would I be potentially be looking at?
Thanks to all those that reply.
Fearless Soldier
Fool, fool, fool- but to your credit you came clean at the start, which may stand well in your favour and possible offences of obstruct police/ attempt to pervert the course of justice kicked into touch.
Most possible offences are the:
(1)speeding - which at that speed means a Court appearance for possible disqualification.
(2) Failing to give name/address - a requirement when asked to produce Insurance - you gave a wrong name.
(3) using a vehicle without Insurance - hire car in mates name driver only. Was this brought to light at the time or have you to produce?
When summons served this will outline the offences you have to answer at Court.
I think the HM service could look on all this as l.m.f. and not look good on your record.
It just may be that you met an understanding Plod and he only goes for offence 1 and 3. You should know for he did he not tell you what you were being reported for or just the catch all " the facts will be reported" with the verbal NOIP warning formula thrown in.
OH the impetuousness of youth...
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 28th June 15:33
Most possible offences are the:
(1)speeding - which at that speed means a Court appearance for possible disqualification.
(2) Failing to give name/address - a requirement when asked to produce Insurance - you gave a wrong name.
(3) using a vehicle without Insurance - hire car in mates name driver only. Was this brought to light at the time or have you to produce?
When summons served this will outline the offences you have to answer at Court.
I think the HM service could look on all this as l.m.f. and not look good on your record.
It just may be that you met an understanding Plod and he only goes for offence 1 and 3. You should know for he did he not tell you what you were being reported for or just the catch all " the facts will be reported" with the verbal NOIP warning formula thrown in.
OH the impetuousness of youth...
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 28th June 15:33
Fearless_soldier said:
thats the thing, I am insured. I had to find out after the incident. it turned out that I was.
so really I have only two problems....
The dishonesty part and the speeding.
what you think?
BTW what is an l.m.f.?
>> Edited by Fearless_soldier on Tuesday 28th June 17:07
Jesus no offence intended I hope you make it to become a Pilot but more importantly before you see any combat I hope you become a bit more streetwise. If you ever get shot down by the Arabs they will have you biting the pillow double quick.
ITS ONLY A SPEEDING TICKET THE COPS DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER.
CHILL OUT 
yea but there's one important I totally forgot!! I signed the producer in my mates name before I confessed to mine and thereafter signing a producer in my name.
The thing is you have to understand, if I get convicted of dishonesty....airlines will not give you a security clearance. Therefore affecting your chances of becoming a pilot or even better put...not being accepted to become a pilot.
>> Edited by Fearless_Soldier on Tuesday 28th June 18:56
The thing is you have to understand, if I get convicted of dishonesty....airlines will not give you a security clearance. Therefore affecting your chances of becoming a pilot or even better put...not being accepted to become a pilot.
>> Edited by Fearless_Soldier on Tuesday 28th June 18:56
115 in South Wales of all places!! You're very lucky they didn't shoot you on sight!
The M4 to Cardiff is a scamera hotspot , they make £££££'s when there's a sporting event at the Minnellium Stadium. Sorry, not much help to you.
For what it's worth, regards the speed IMO you havn't done anything morally wrong, just careless - wrong place wrong time and all that.
Yeah you shoudn't have lied though, mostly because it isn't on to let ya mate take the rap for 115! Least you came clean tho.
Now chill out! and good luck and remember NEVER to visit South Wales again!! Bstds!
The M4 to Cardiff is a scamera hotspot , they make £££££'s when there's a sporting event at the Minnellium Stadium. Sorry, not much help to you.
For what it's worth, regards the speed IMO you havn't done anything morally wrong, just careless - wrong place wrong time and all that.
Yeah you shoudn't have lied though, mostly because it isn't on to let ya mate take the rap for 115! Least you came clean tho.
Now chill out! and good luck and remember NEVER to visit South Wales again!! Bstds!
Fearless_Soldier said:
yea but there's one important I totally forgot!! I signed the producer in my mates name before I confessed to mine and thereafter signing a producer in my name.
The thing is you have to understand, if I get convicted of dishonesty....airlines will not give you a security clearance. Therefore affecting your chances of becoming a pilot or even better put...not being accepted to become a pilot.
>> Edited by Fearless_Soldier on Tuesday 28th June 18:56
Unless you are convicted of some offense then no airline will ever have access to the information. The rules of disclosure make it illegal for anyone to use anyhting other than proven information against you.
This won't prevent you from becoming a pilot per se. These kind of offences don't prevent you from holding a licence at any level from PPL to ATPL.
What it might do is raise an eyebrow or two if you disclose it to a potential employer. Having interviewed a few hundred pilot applicants myself something like this on it's own would not make me dismiss an application. Mind you, there would have to be something else in the 'plus' column to offset it.
As you're just about to start your training this might only be a problem if an airline is sponsoring you. If you're paying your own way it will probably be a few years before you accrue enough hours in your log book to apply for the sort of organisation that would do in-depth background checks and by then maybe you won't have to disclose this as any conviction may be spent.
On a lighter note I once asked a pilot in an interview if he had any convictions. "Just one" he said "for soliciting". And he wasn't the customer either
What it might do is raise an eyebrow or two if you disclose it to a potential employer. Having interviewed a few hundred pilot applicants myself something like this on it's own would not make me dismiss an application. Mind you, there would have to be something else in the 'plus' column to offset it.
As you're just about to start your training this might only be a problem if an airline is sponsoring you. If you're paying your own way it will probably be a few years before you accrue enough hours in your log book to apply for the sort of organisation that would do in-depth background checks and by then maybe you won't have to disclose this as any conviction may be spent.
On a lighter note I once asked a pilot in an interview if he had any convictions. "Just one" he said "for soliciting". And he wasn't the customer either
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