NATO Special Clearance
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M94

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114 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Hi all, long time lurker on here in the wee small hours when I can’t sleep.

Anyway, I was recently contacted via LinkedIn about a potential job opportunity abroad that required NATO Special Clearance. I’m a bit wary about the legitimacy of it all and was wondering if there’s anyone with experience on here that could help me out/advise me.

A recruiter contacted me out of the blue and asked if I’d be interested in an initial 6 month contract in Norway. The job is open to U.K. residents only and as above, requires special clearance. This is something that the recruitment company have said they are starting the process for the employer and also footing the bill for, they also mentioned that once clearance has been granted if you don’t like the sound of the job and decide it’s not for you then you don’t have to take it, even though they’ve paid for your NATO Special Clearance....

From my correspondence with them it appears that if you’re granted clearance then you’re almost guaranteed a role as they’re only speaking with suitable candidates (bear in mind they haven’t even looked at my CV, only my LinkedIn profile which is very limited and provides almost no detail). However, they can’t provide information on the employer, job description or pay rate until clearance has been granted. What they have provided though is details on accommodation, flights and working week.

To start the special clearance process they require the following:
N.I. Number
Home address
Email address
Passport photo

They advised me that the clearance is granted through the UKSV and is a long drawn out process that can take 2/3 weeks initially.

Is this normal for jobs that require special clearance or does it sound a bit dodgy? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
M94

number2

4,985 posts

210 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Dodgy. For the reasons you've set out. It's not normal practice.

randlemarcus

13,645 posts

254 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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A bit dodgy, but that could be pure ignorance on the agents behalf.

Firstly, I would want day rates to see if it's worth pursuing.

Secondly, have a read of this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/united-kingdom-securit...

If that doesn't tally, move along.

Evanivitch

25,742 posts

145 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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number2 said:
Dodgy. For the reasons you've set out. It's not normal practice.
Agreed.

Scrump

23,713 posts

181 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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2 to 3 weeks sounds about right for SC.
Not heard of it happening prior to an offer of employment being accepted.
The secrecy around the job is hard to understand as SC is not a particularly high clearance level.

M94

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32 posts

114 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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randlemarcus said:
A bit dodgy, but that could be pure ignorance on the agents behalf.

Firstly, I would want day rates to see if it's worth pursuing.

Secondly, have a read of this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/united-kingdom-securit...

If that doesn't tally, move along.
The recruiter advised that most employers are happy for them to give out their information and job details however some are not until clearance has been granted. On this occasion she said that they are unable to discuss rates or employer name before this.

If it helps any. The role is in aviation

M94

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Thursday 29th October 2020
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Scrump said:
2 to 3 weeks sounds about right for SC.
Not heard of it happening prior to an offer of employment being accepted.
The secrecy around the job is hard to understand as SC is not a particularly high clearance level.
In relation to your last sentence I completely agree. The only thing I can think of is that due to it being aviation it may be to do with RAF and us leaving the EU?

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

196 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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SC is pretty low level, can't remember it taking long to get at all but that was a while ago.

DV is the one that's more involved and does take a few weeks.

number2

4,985 posts

210 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Contacted out the blue.
They have next to no information about the OP.
They have asked for personal information.
OP is pretty much guaranteed a job if he gets the elusive NATO clearance.
OP doesn't know who the employer is, what the job is, and they don't know who he is.

I think gullibility might be a criteria for the role. Is it code named 007? biggrin.

Scrump

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181 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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ChocolateFrog said:
SC is pretty low level, can't remember it taking long to get at all but that was a while ago.

DV is the one that's more involved and does take a few weeks.
SC takes a few weeks, DV takes a few months.

M94

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32 posts

114 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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number2 said:
Contacted out the blue.
They have next to no information about the OP.
They have asked for personal information.
OP is pretty much guaranteed a job if he gets the elusive NATO clearance.
OP doesn't know who the employer is, what the job is, and they don't know who he is.

I think gullibility might be a criteria for the role. Is it code named 007? biggrin.
Has been my thinking the whole time. No experience in the world of contracting myself, however I do know plenty of people that get work through agencies without any interviews at all. They get a call on the Friday and ask if you want to start on a Monday. It is my understanding that there is still an interview stage however it is unlikely that you would not be accepted for the role. The employer is requiring a high number of employees.

When I say aviation I mean jet engine mechanics

Edited by M94 on Thursday 29th October 23:26

number2

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210 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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ChocolateFrog said:
SC is pretty low level, can't remember it taking long to get at all but that was a while ago.

DV is the one that's more involved and does take a few weeks.
DV will take many months.

The OP would need to be sponsored to go through clearance.... not sure how the random 'agency' can do this laugh.

number2

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210 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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M94 said:
Has been my thinking the whole time. No experience in the world of contracting myself, however I do know plenty of people that get work through agencies without any interviews at all. They get a call on the Friday and ask if you want to start on a Monday.

When I say aviation I mean jet engine mechanics
Stinks to high heaven to me, but as a start how about validating the recruiter. Not that this is faill-safe.

If someone contacted you on Facebook with the promise of riches if you gave them your NI number etc, would you do it? It's no different to LinkedIn.

TonyToniTone

3,882 posts

272 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Sounds a bit dodgy, there are only a handful of agencies that can sponsor your clearance and have their own vetting teams and they start the process with BPSS check, is it a well known agency?

All seems very secretive for SC and no chance of getting DV in a matter of weeks.

M94

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32 posts

114 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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number2 said:
M94 said:
Has been my thinking the whole time. No experience in the world of contracting myself, however I do know plenty of people that get work through agencies without any interviews at all. They get a call on the Friday and ask if you want to start on a Monday.

When I say aviation I mean jet engine mechanics
Stinks to high heaven to me, but as a start how about validating the recruiter. Not that this is faill-safe.

If someone contacted you on Facebook with the promise of riches if you gave them your NI number etc, would you do it? It's no different to LinkedIn.
Oh I agree 100%. I’m probably being a bit silly in even entertaining it however due to being made redundant months ago and finding the job hunt really hard at the moment it is something that I’ve probably been a bit naive to.

The recruiter is a company called Resource Group.

M94

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Thursday 29th October 2020
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TonyToniTone said:
Sounds a bit dodgy, there are only a handful of agencies that can sponsor your clearance and have their own vetting teams and they start the process with BPSS check, is it a well known agency?

All seems very secretive for SC and no chance of getting DV in a matter of weeks.
It’s not an agency that I have heard of previously like hays etc. However their LinkedIn page seems legit.
ResourceGroup
https://www.linkedin.com/company/resource-group---...

eliot

11,988 posts

277 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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sounds proper dodgy to me.
I don’t suppose your LI profile also states you are looking for work? Which is a handy filter for the scammers to identify targets to obtain personal details from...

M94

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114 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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After a quick look on google the recruitment agency seems to be legit. They’re also an EASA part-66 and part-147 training provider which reassures me more that they themselves are legit. I assume it’s not the case that the agency themselves could be getting scammed?

abzmike

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129 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Have you called the agency on their publicly advertised number, or just been contacted by one individual from a mobile?

M94

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Thursday 29th October 2020
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abzmike said:
Have you called the agency on their publicly advertised number, or just been contacted by one individual from a mobile?
I have not, it’s been LinkedIn and email correspondence. I’ll give their publicly advertised number a call and ask to speak to someone about it. See if they put me onto the same person I’ve been speaking with.

The woman I’m in contact with did work with hays recruitment for two years so it’s not as if it’a a complete dead giveaway scam account