What motherboard and CPU?
Discussion
I'm finding that I'm now using all of the 16Gb installed in my current PC more and more. I tend to keep a lot of applications open, lots of chrome tabs, and fire up the odd game from time to time.
Obviously, the easiest solution is to install more memory, so I've gone ahead and got a new case, PSU, cooler, memory and so on ready for a new build.
The PC is 9.5 years old and is the same as when I built it back then - except it's on its third graphics card as it seems to eat them.
All of the other components have been decided upon, but I'm slightly havering on the motherboard and CPU choice.
For ~$560 I can get an MSI Z490 Tomahawk and i7-10600K. Anything else for a comparable cost that I should consider? As above, usage is largely regular apps, web browsing and some gaming. I tend to over spec for longevity.
Obviously, the easiest solution is to install more memory, so I've gone ahead and got a new case, PSU, cooler, memory and so on ready for a new build.
The PC is 9.5 years old and is the same as when I built it back then - except it's on its third graphics card as it seems to eat them.
All of the other components have been decided upon, but I'm slightly havering on the motherboard and CPU choice.
For ~$560 I can get an MSI Z490 Tomahawk and i7-10600K. Anything else for a comparable cost that I should consider? As above, usage is largely regular apps, web browsing and some gaming. I tend to over spec for longevity.
For the AMD zen 3 platform you need an X570 or B550 chipset.
Only X570 has PCIe 4.0 iirc... however recent wisdom was that even most taxing applications and gpus don't use the bandwidth. That might all be changing now with latest gpu releases i guess. The real use for PCIe 4.0 seems to be very fast access to storage.
In any case, I watched a review that came to the conclusion that the $200 X570 motherboards, particularly the Gigabyte one was the sweet spot, as performance was good and going further up the range added unnecessary features (that most people would never utilise so what's the point) . In comparison the B550 boards had less functionality at the same price so seemed basically pointless.
Only X570 has PCIe 4.0 iirc... however recent wisdom was that even most taxing applications and gpus don't use the bandwidth. That might all be changing now with latest gpu releases i guess. The real use for PCIe 4.0 seems to be very fast access to storage.
In any case, I watched a review that came to the conclusion that the $200 X570 motherboards, particularly the Gigabyte one was the sweet spot, as performance was good and going further up the range added unnecessary features (that most people would never utilise so what's the point) . In comparison the B550 boards had less functionality at the same price so seemed basically pointless.
Glade said:
For the AMD zen 3 platform you need an X570 or B550 chipset.
Only X570 has PCIe 4.0 iirc... however recent wisdom was that even most taxing applications and gpus don't use the bandwidth. That might all be changing now with latest gpu releases i guess. The real use for PCIe 4.0 seems to be very fast access to storage.
The A520 also supports Zen 3Only X570 has PCIe 4.0 iirc... however recent wisdom was that even most taxing applications and gpus don't use the bandwidth. That might all be changing now with latest gpu releases i guess. The real use for PCIe 4.0 seems to be very fast access to storage.
X570 has PCIe 4 to any slot.
B550 has PCIe 4 from the CPU to the primary GPU slot and a single NVMe slot. Some motherboards offer bifurcation of the CPU PCIe slot to offer two x16 mechanical x8 PCIe 4 slots if you want/need to run two GPUs.
To leverage the AMD CPU/GPU Smart Access Memory I think you need the RX6000 series card allied to new Ryzen 5000 CPU and 500 series motherboard.
It certainly sounds like an interesting development.
What the hell happened to graphic cards... yee gods the price of em.
I need to upgrade my desktop.. the sweet spot for me looks like Ryzen 3000 series, hopefully the prices will drop as the 5000 ones come out.
It certainly sounds like an interesting development.
What the hell happened to graphic cards... yee gods the price of em.
I need to upgrade my desktop.. the sweet spot for me looks like Ryzen 3000 series, hopefully the prices will drop as the 5000 ones come out.
Edited by Hedobot on Thursday 5th November 09:24
Wow just looking at some benchmarks. The Ryzen 5 5600x... gets better FPS in games and the Ryzen 7 5800x gets better single core scores than the i9 10900.
Then the 5900 and 5950 are miles ahead.
Looks good
https://youtu.be/iZBIeM2zE-I
Then the 5900 and 5950 are miles ahead.
Looks good
https://youtu.be/iZBIeM2zE-I
Edited by Glade on Thursday 5th November 18:50
Got interested, saw 4 in stock at my local store, did my research - slightly cheaper CPU, slight more expensive mobo for same features, hit refresh on the local store - 0 in stock.
Certainly a contender.....but completely out of stock anywhere.
I'll what's up in a couple of days, might have a look at the weekend, might give it another week and see if the stock situation improves.
I've not yet seen any direct 10700k / 5600x comparisons?
Certainly a contender.....but completely out of stock anywhere.
I'll what's up in a couple of days, might have a look at the weekend, might give it another week and see if the stock situation improves.
I've not yet seen any direct 10700k / 5600x comparisons?
NM, found them. Very much a direct competitor to the 10700K, but cheaper (and if they ditched the cooler that I wouldn't use, cheaper still). Works out at about $30 cheaper for me once a comparable motherboard is included, but includes pcie 4.0 etc.
Very tempting, but precisely zero stock.
Very tempting, but precisely zero stock.
jimmyjimjim said:
Local store just knocked $30 off the 10700k (now$320), so one of those + motherboard is pretty much a direct contender price wise.
Alternatively, the 10850k is now $399, but I think the 10700k is better value.
I bought a 10700K last week as an upgrade to my 3770K setup and immediately noticed how much more power it uses and therefore produced heat when fully loaded. I normally run all my fans and AIO in quiet mode, but the 10700K started throttling unless the fans were ramped up to more noticeable noise levels. Just something to bear in mind. I sold it on and bought a 3700x for a good price and have an MSI X570 Tomahawk on order.Alternatively, the 10850k is now $399, but I think the 10700k is better value.
I’ve also been looking at upgrading from my current i7-5930K and ASUS X99-S mobo but looking at LGA-1200 motherboards like the ASUS ROG Strix Z490 they have only 4 RAM slots and 3 PCIe slots. Which means I’d have to replace my 8 8GB RAM 3000 sticks with 4 16GB sticks at huge cost and would’t be able to use all my assorted PCIe i/o cards like Mushkin Scorpio storage card (4x NVMe memory modules). Seems a bit of a backward step
Edited by mikef on Sunday 8th November 14:59
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