We will have a fully effective COVID vaccine.
We will have a fully effective COVID vaccine.

Poll: We will have a fully effective COVID vaccine.

Total Members Polled: 283

Before Christmas this year.: 8%
Early next year.: 18%
By the end of 2021: 20%
At some point after 2021: 6%
Never.: 47%
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Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

28,176 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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B'stard Child

30,823 posts

270 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Louis Balfour said:
We will have a fully effective COVID vaccine.
As we already have one for a similar virus - the flu...............

I voted never biggrin


andy43

12,620 posts

278 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Before Xmas is my guess - I suspect it’s ready to go but nobody apart from the Russians and Chinese will sign it off until the safety stuff is cast iron approved.
I’d have it now. Has to be worth a go to get things back to normalish.
Antibodies fade - we know that much. Worse dose of covid means more and longer lasting antibodies. Key is the T cells - if the vaccine does what SARS did in 2003, teaching T cells to destroy covid 17 years later, then I’d hope one jab would do it. I’m not a scientist!

Mr Whippy

32,293 posts

265 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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You could argue for many people that vitamin D is the vaccine they need.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Before Xmas.................not sure about fully effective though.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Good flounce.

gruffalo

8,100 posts

250 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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My view is Never as it will mutate.

Like the seasonal flu vaccine we will almost certainly need to do this annually probably with the seasonal flu vaccine but there is always the risk that it mutates and infects loads of people quickly so making it more nimble than a jab every 12 months.

monkfish1

12,247 posts

248 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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andy43 said:
Before Xmas is my guess - I suspect it’s ready to go but nobody apart from the Russians and Chinese will sign it off until the safety stuff is cast iron approved.
I’d have it now. Has to be worth a go to get things back to normalish.
Antibodies fade - we know that much. Worse dose of covid means more and longer lasting antibodies. Key is the T cells - if the vaccine does what SARS did in 2003, teaching T cells to destroy covid 17 years later, then I’d hope one jab would do it. I’m not a scientist!
Clearly you are not a scientist.

This was the outcome of the last rushed vaccine. HMG have commited to excluding any covid 19 vaccine from the scheme that paid out in this earlier instance.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims...

Still "worth a go"?

JagLover

46,184 posts

259 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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We will probably have one that provides partial protection. I don't see it as a magic wand though and the frail and vulnerable may be too frail to risk the complications of a vaccine.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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ash73 said:
Define fully effective?
Exactly.

If we're accepting the generally defined definition if of fully effective then never.

Mr Whippy

32,293 posts

265 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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monkfish1 said:
andy43 said:
Before Xmas is my guess - I suspect it’s ready to go but nobody apart from the Russians and Chinese will sign it off until the safety stuff is cast iron approved.
I’d have it now. Has to be worth a go to get things back to normalish.
Antibodies fade - we know that much. Worse dose of covid means more and longer lasting antibodies. Key is the T cells - if the vaccine does what SARS did in 2003, teaching T cells to destroy covid 17 years later, then I’d hope one jab would do it. I’m not a scientist!
Clearly you are not a scientist.

This was the outcome of the last rushed vaccine. HMG have commited to excluding them from the scheme that paod out in this earlier instance.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims...

Still "worth a go"?
Indeed.

The best way to "get things back to normalish" would be to spend ALLLLLL this money being wasted on furlough and track and trace and what not, on protecting the vulnerable.

You don't ban life for all to save the lives of a few.

Yertis

19,562 posts

290 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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ChocolateFrog said:
Exactly.

If we're accepting the generally defined definition if of fully effective then never.
I assumed "fully effective" to be that it suppressed transmission and physical effects of the virus.

B'stard Child

30,823 posts

270 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Alucidnation said:
Good flounce.
Weird post.......

andy43

12,620 posts

278 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Mr Whippy said:
monkfish1 said:
andy43 said:
Before Xmas is my guess - I suspect it’s ready to go but nobody apart from the Russians and Chinese will sign it off until the safety stuff is cast iron approved.
I’d have it now. Has to be worth a go to get things back to normalish.
Antibodies fade - we know that much. Worse dose of covid means more and longer lasting antibodies. Key is the T cells - if the vaccine does what SARS did in 2003, teaching T cells to destroy covid 17 years later, then I’d hope one jab would do it. I’m not a scientist!
Clearly you are not a scientist.

This was the outcome of the last rushed vaccine. HMG have commited to excluding them from the scheme that paod out in this earlier instance.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims...

Still "worth a go"?
Indeed.

The best way to "get things back to normalish" would be to spend ALLLLLL this money being wasted on furlough and track and trace and what not, on protecting the vulnerable.

You don't ban life for all to save the lives of a few.
Yes it's still worth a go. 60 victims, or 1 in 16000 equating to 4000-odd in the UK. Contrast with where we are with covid, add on suicides, late cancer diagnosis and all the rest. Bring it on. Get on with it.

Biker 1

8,422 posts

143 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Not a vaccine scientist, but I do know a little about statistics, risk analysis & so forth (perhaps I should join SAGE???)
Anyway, as others have mentioned, my bet is that vitamin D would be as effective as a vaccine & no side effects. Watch this space....

vaud

58,146 posts

179 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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B'stard Child said:
Alucidnation said:
Good flounce.
Weird post.......
I think the OP just posted a poll and could not post a blank post so has just posted "."

They haven't flounced and deleted their original post as it would show as deleted / edited.

grumbledoak

32,402 posts

257 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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I'm not even sure we'll get a vaccine safer than the disease.

B'stard Child

30,823 posts

270 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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vaud said:
B'stard Child said:
Alucidnation said:
Good flounce.
Weird post.......
I think the OP just posted a poll and could not post a blank post so has just posted "."

They haven't flounced and deleted their original post as it would show as deleted / edited.
Yeah - I got that - You got that - but I don't think everyone got that biggrin

baconsarney

12,307 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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andy43 said:
Before Xmas is my guess - I suspect it’s ready to go but nobody apart from the Russians and Chinese will sign it off until the safety stuff is cast iron approved.
I’d have it now. Has to be worth a go to get things back to normalish.
Antibodies fade - we know that much. Worse dose of covid means more and longer lasting antibodies. Key is the T cells - if the vaccine does what SARS did in 2003, teaching T cells to destroy covid 17 years later, then I’d hope one jab would do it. I’m not a scientist!
Hi Andy..

Er, I think you're correct with before Xmas...

Just not sure which year........ wink

B'stard Child

30,823 posts

270 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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grumbledoak said:
I'm not even sure we'll get a vaccine safer than the disease.
Is a bloody good answer.................