Joining in the fun

[tallbloke]

Hi All,
I'm trying to get a handle on costs for the TVRCC challenge.

The regs state: The Maximum Entry Fee for each round shall be: As detailed in the SR’s for the event in question.

What are the 'SR's'?

Paperwork:
TVRCC membership £43
BARC racing membership £95
MSA National B racing license £43
MSA National entrants fee £134
TVRCC Challenge registration fee £150

Did I miss anyone? :D

Tyres:
MSA blue book approved list covers a big range. Is there any agreement between competitors as to a minimum standard of specific manufacturer or shortlist? Will tyres cost hundreds per set or are there viable cheaper alternatives for budget racing?

The car:
I've been offered a Tasmin FHC racer minus engine, box and wheels. I have a V6 Cosworth engine and have seen on the TVRCC challenge website that at least one competitor is already using this powerplant.

Would I be hopelessly outgunned and get in everybody's way if I left it at it's standard 200BHP?
Are the costs involved in tuning it prohibitive?

What would be a suitable tyre cross section for the output I need?

Thanks in advance for any advice/encouragement/injection of realism. :thumbup:

[ceejay]

tallbloke said:

Hi All, I'm trying to get a handle on costs for the TVRCC challenge. The regs state: The Maximum Entry Fee for each round shall be: As detailed in the SR’s for the event in question. What are the 'SR's'? Paperwork: TVRCC membership £43 BARC racing membership £95 MSA National B racing license £43 MSA National entrants fee £134 TVRCC Challenge registration fee £150 Did I miss anyone? Tyres: MSA blue book approved list covers a big range. Is there any agreement between competitors as to a minimum standard of specific manufacturer or shortlist? Will tyres cost hundreds per set or are there viable cheaper alternatives for budget racing? The car: I've been offered a Tasmin FHC racer minus engine, box and wheels. I have a V6 Cosworth engine and have seen on the TVRCC challenge website that at least one competitor is already using this powerplant. Would I be hopelessly outgunned and get in everybody's way if I left it at it's standard 200BHP? Are the costs involved in tuning it prohibitive? What would be a suitable tyre cross section for the output I need? Thanks in advance for any advice/encouragement/injection of realism.

Hi Roger,

I've not been out this season yet (car still in build) but hope to be at Cadwell on 17th July.

SR's, not sure but series regs/ Each race costs about £140 to enter, these seem to vary slightly depending on the circuit.

Most people seem to run on Formula R or Yoko tyres, on a set of 15'' Compo rims you should be looking at about £450 a set. Work on 2-3 sets a season plus you may need some wets. There's probably loads of part worn Kumhos kicking around which would be cheap but certainly won't help you in the races.

A 200bhp Cossie 24V in Class A is probably the ideal choice and should make you competitive. The Tasmins weight about 1100kg with driver so this power figure should put you near the Class A limit. The Cossie 24V is easily good enough for 200hp so tuning not really required but a re-build is recommended particularly the timing chain and tensioner etc. The 24V motors were all autos so you'll need a flywheel (from a 2.8 12V), I'm fitting a 24V twin turbo to run in Class B with a T5 transmission and adapter plate.

With a Taz you'll struggle to run anything bigger than a 225 width tyre if you want to run it low at the back.

Summary - A Taz is a great way to start budget TVR racing, they're tough and with a 24V engine plenty of fun. The races are competitive but friendly. I competed in my rookie season last year and i can't wait to get back. Just do it........you won't regret it.

If you want morew info just mail through profile.

Ceejay

[Graham]

tallbloke said:

Hi All, TVRCC membership £43 BARC racing membership £95 MSA National B racing license £43 MSA National entrants fee £134 TVRCC Challenge registration fee £150

not sure what the msa national entrants fee is never paid that? unless it means the entry fees that are generall around 140 quid... up to about 250 for a double header...

if you dont already have a licence you'll need to get that

so its

ards pack - 65 quid ( one off)
medical - 50-60 quid (one off untill yout 45 i think then annual)
ards test 180-290 quid ( one off - provided you pass )
licence fee 43quid ( you already have that bit listed)


Cliff has answered most of the other stuff..


the big advantage of the 24v motor is that it should easily give the class a power and be very reliable not needing rebuilds every 5 mins so cost effective


cheers

G

[tallbloke]

Thanks guys, very encouraging.

Cliff: Nice looking cars in your profile

Graham: I was going on this:
www.barc.net/PDFdocs2005/tvrregs2005ver1.pdf
1.3 Competitor Eligibility:
1.3.1 Entrants where applicable must be in possession of a valid 2005 MSA Entrants Licence.
1.3.2 Drivers and Entrant/Drivers must be fully paid up valid racing membership card holding members of the
TVRCC and the BARC, be Registered for the series and be in possession of valid MSA Competition
(Racing) National B Licence minimum.

The MSA entrants license is £134 according to
www.msauk.org/pdfs/2005_licences/2005_App_Competition_Licence64k.pdf

Anyway, that's all boring old paperwork, I want to go racing

[Graham]

Tyres...

basically you are looking at the list 1B section as 1A are really just road tyres and you might want them for the wet..

kumho's you really need a minimum of 2 sets for the season. i used 4 last season to win class A but that was looking for 100's of a second and making up for a lack of power...

on the tuscan this year im on dunlop doj1 will probably streach one set out to the whole season ( i might just change the fronts)

I did the firt season on 1 set of kumho's and they were buggered at the end of the season...


so i'd say 2 sets is reasonable. disks last easily a season and maybe 2 sets of front pads..

[ceejay]

Thanx,

I've never paid an MSA National Entrants fee either so you can put that towards your tyres!

I'd certainly recommend trying to get down to Cadwell, it's a terrific track, one of the best we race on, and a good chance to meet some of the drivers and teams.

If you do pop along you may as well write the cheque out now for the race car!

Ceejay

[Graham]

tallbloke said:

The MSA entrants license is £134 according to www.msauk.org/pdfs/2005_licences/2005_App_Competition_Licence64k.pdf

Nah you dont need that your not an entrant, just a driver

If you want to have a try I have my old tasmin available for an outing or two

G

[ceejay]

Graham said:

tallbloke said: The MSA entrants license is £134 according to <a href="www.msauk.org/pdfs/2005_licences/2005_App_Competition_Licence64k.pdf">www.msauk.org/pdfs/2005_licences/2005_App_Competition_Licence64k.pdf</a> Nah you dont need that your not an entrant, just a driver If you want to have a try I have my old tasmin available for an outing or two G

One very careful previous owner. lol.

Ceejay

[stainless_steve]

Nice one Rog,sounds like you have found something to do with the engine

[tallbloke]

Graham said:

If you want to have a try I have my old tasmin available for an outing or two

I'll definitely come down to Cadwell to watch the action close up. It'd be great to dip my toe in the water, so I'd love to take you up on your kind offer.

Lets talk at Cadwell.

>> Edited by tallbloke on Wednesday 29th June 18:15

[Graham]

tallbloke said:

Graham said: If you want to have a try I have my old tasmin available for an outing or two I'll definitely come down to Cadwell to watch the action close up. It'd be great to dip my toe in the water, so I'd love to take you up on your kind offer. Lets talk at Cadwell.

cool we should be at cadwell testing on sat and racing on sunday...


It would be good to get the old girl out on the track again this season

G

[chassis 33]

Roger, sorry to hi-jack your thread...

...I've just bought myself a little 'something' to prep for next season, or later this if im feeling brave...

I've been doing a fair bit of work on budgets and the like, Graham has seen the list (lets have an honest answer if theyre believeable Graham), I'd be happy to share the list with you if you want Roger.

May well see you at Cadwell.

Regards
Iain

[Graham]

having done two cars now

the taz and the tuscan i've got a fairly good handle on how much you need to get a motor up and running, and on the track...

(edited to say :- provided your doing most of the work yourself. Factoring in someone elses labour is up to you)


once your on the track there are a lot of variables

breakages, damage, how quick the competition is. how much testing you do how many tyres, how much tuition, how competitive you want to be...


The best way i think is to set a realistic budget and stick to it. keeping a contingency fund just in case..

Budgets can spiral out of control and racing will consume as much money as you throw at it and some... so you just have to control it rather than it controling you.

its also very easy to convince yourself you need to spend more money and have this or that widget to go faster... but in the end if you've got a reliable well setup package which plenty of seat time, you can get good results without spending a fortune.

my race budget to run the car this season is 6k for everything and unless some sponsorship comes in that all im going to spend. sure I could spend more on tyres and go a bit quicker, I really could do with some wets and some more testing ( we've only tested for 1 day and 2 *20 min sessions) and to release some power i need heads.
I have just had some engine work done but thats for longevity more than power.. ( it was a 600 quid engine out of a crashed road car)


last season i did 10 test days which adds a huge amount to the budget ( track fees,tyres,fuel,extra rebuilds, food, accom etc)

I'm more than happy to go through your build program ( for either of you) and comment on it. Im even happy to join up for testing and share data...

With the car your looking at Iian id say Class A and leave as much of it alone as you can, dont be tempted to start ripping stuff out for the sake of it... bushes, wishbones,chassis check, engine check yes, but otherwise just the saftey gear for now. untill you've got some track time i'd not even bother with dampers untill you know which way you want to go with them..and run it on the standard wheels.


so you'd better get the ards sorted pdq

G


>> Edited by Graham on Wednesday 29th June 23:22