How will we pay for the C19 debts?
How will we pay for the C19 debts?
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tracer.smart

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656 posts

235 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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So the national debt has passed £2tr, bigger than the UK economy, and still growing as the rescue packages continue. And it’s the same picture around the globe - Italy will be over 160% of GDP, France 115%. Germany is better at nearing 80%, but still climbing.

If most of the national debts are owned by domestic governments, couldn’t they all just write it off? Or give as much time as they wanted to pay it down?

Or are we doomed to a future where the government spends more of our hard earned on servicing debt than on education, infrastructure and health?


vixen1700

28,061 posts

294 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Maybe some sort of reset is needed. scratchchin

PrinceRupert

11,613 posts

109 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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People are paying Germany to borrow from them. I think they'll be okay.

MG CHRIS

9,322 posts

191 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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We wont the end.

Jasandjules

72,028 posts

253 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Well the important bit is that the rich inbred ruperts and their friends are getting somey lovely backhanders and making lots of money. The rest of us will be scr**ed for the next 30 years plus.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

210 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Higher taxes.

abzmike

11,459 posts

130 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Taxes, adding some to the long term debt, and printing more money. Normally that would reduce the value of the pound, but pretty much every country is in the same boat so it doesn’t matter.

Sophisticated Sarah

15,078 posts

193 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Increased taxes, increased fines etc

valiant

13,459 posts

184 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Tax the fk out of those that have massively benefited out of COVID-19 like Amazon, Serco, etc.

But it’ll fall on us plebs instead.

tracer.smart

Original Poster:

656 posts

235 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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abzmike said:
Normally that would reduce the value of the pound, but pretty much every country is in the same boat so it doesn’t matter.
Exactly. So if the debt is held mainly by domestic governments, couldn’t all governments agree to reset their own debt to close to Feb ‘20 levels?

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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It isn’t debt in the conventional sense that the uk gov has borrowed it from a third party

It is largely newly created money - additional £ that dilute the purchasing power of every other £. There is a strong argument for saying it doesn’t need to be paid back and that as long as uk money creation only happens at rates slightly lower than major competitor economies then the uk position would be very strong



Dromedary66

1,924 posts

162 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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tracer.smart said:
Exactly. So if the debt is held mainly by domestic governments, couldn’t all governments agree to reset their own debt to close to Feb ‘20 levels?
No, because the government borrows money from financial organisations such as pension funds, banks and insurance companies and unsurprisingly they want the money back with interest on top.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

147 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Recent thread on this subject here ——-> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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BREXIT!


ok, not BREXIT....... ;-)

CzechItOut

2,156 posts

215 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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We have a National Minimum Wage, so why not a National Minimum Tax? Set it at £10k per person, per year and people can consider it the price you pay for living in a country which offers the individual more opportunities than pretty much any other country in the world.

Randy Winkman

21,079 posts

213 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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CzechItOut said:
We have a National Minimum Wage, so why not a National Minimum Tax? Set it at £10k per person, per year and people can consider it the price you pay for living in a country which offers the individual more opportunities than pretty much any other country in the world.
Where do the people go who cant afford it?

hotchy

4,794 posts

150 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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CzechItOut said:
We have a National Minimum Wage, so why not a National Minimum Tax? Set it at £10k per person, per year and people can consider it the price you pay for living in a country which offers the individual more opportunities than pretty much any other country in the world.
At 10k extra per year May's well just pop myself on the dole. You can pay my part. I'll pretend I'm an alcoholic aswel, with a kid with adhd, and a carers allowance for my mum who doesnt need cared for but can qaulify for it due to stents etc. Infact I'm sure my lower back problems could probably get me on the disability payments although not top tier. Again though that plus not paying £10k a year for a debt I never asked for and never benefited from, I'd probably be better off.

See, your way obviously wont work.

Randy Winkman

21,079 posts

213 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Anyway, isn't there already a PH thread on this?

PositronicRay

28,669 posts

207 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Inflation, enough will make trillions insignificant.
In the same way that during the 1980s I purchased a house, £13.5k, using a £14k interest only mortgage.

Scrump

23,796 posts

182 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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BlackLabel said:
Recent thread on this subject here ——-> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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