Returning to an employer who made you redundant?
Discussion
Hi there,
At the start of September this year I was made redundant due to the company I worked for cutting their external sales force in half due to the current COVID pandemic.
Thankfully I was able to secure a new job relatively soon afterwards but its fair to say that I am not loving it.
I learned last week that the person who was given my sales area (in addition to their own) has handed their notice in and it is looking likely that a vacancy will become available at my old employers.
If it wasn't for redundancy I believe that I would still have been with my previous employer as I enjoyed the job and performed well. I also left on relatively good terms despite being disappointed with their decision.
Now the question is, would you make a call to your former employed and advise that you are open to have a discussion about the possible position, or would you wait to see if they call you?
Also, if anyone knows of any 'red tape' that would stop this kind of move that would be great.
At the start of September this year I was made redundant due to the company I worked for cutting their external sales force in half due to the current COVID pandemic.
Thankfully I was able to secure a new job relatively soon afterwards but its fair to say that I am not loving it.
I learned last week that the person who was given my sales area (in addition to their own) has handed their notice in and it is looking likely that a vacancy will become available at my old employers.
If it wasn't for redundancy I believe that I would still have been with my previous employer as I enjoyed the job and performed well. I also left on relatively good terms despite being disappointed with their decision.
Now the question is, would you make a call to your former employed and advise that you are open to have a discussion about the possible position, or would you wait to see if they call you?
Also, if anyone knows of any 'red tape' that would stop this kind of move that would be great.
I believe that if you were made redundant by them again then you don't get the full tax free allowance second time around. Could be taking rubbish though.
Your role will have been absorbed into a few others I assume so there's no way you'll go back to exactly the same job as it doesn't exist anymore (otherwise it wasn't a proper redundancy)
Your role will have been absorbed into a few others I assume so there's no way you'll go back to exactly the same job as it doesn't exist anymore (otherwise it wasn't a proper redundancy)
Monkeylegend said:
What criteria did they use for making you redundant?
That to me would be the deciding factor, ie if it was simply last in first out then no problem, but if not I would be keen to know the reason why before I approached them again.
It was all down to area coverage and relevant turnover in these specific areas. Everyone had been there roughly the same length of time.That to me would be the deciding factor, ie if it was simply last in first out then no problem, but if not I would be keen to know the reason why before I approached them again.
Benrad said:
Your role will have been absorbed into a few others I assume so there's no way you'll go back to exactly the same job as it doesn't exist anymore (otherwise it wasn't a proper redundancy)
Yes, that something that I am expecting, during the redundancy process I actually offered to extend my area!External Sales employees seem to be given larger areas these days to keep overheads and staff numbers down.
Check that any settlement does not have a clause that entitles them to recover any payments or part of payments in the event you return to any group company within twelve months. It is a rare clause, but it does exist so best to check.. Apart from that no problem looking to go back there if you liked the place.
Rather than positioning as “I’d like to go back” I’d suggest you position it as “I’d be open to coming back” or “I could be persuaded to come back”.
There’s no need to go on bended knee: given how time consuming, risky and expensive is is to find good people to hire, if they are at all open to considering you, they should leap at the chance. You don’t want to sound too keen though or they may take advantage of you and try and hire you back on poorer terms than you were on.
There’s no need to go on bended knee: given how time consuming, risky and expensive is is to find good people to hire, if they are at all open to considering you, they should leap at the chance. You don’t want to sound too keen though or they may take advantage of you and try and hire you back on poorer terms than you were on.
s-x-i said:
If it wasn't for redundancy I believe that I would still have been with my previous employer as I enjoyed the job and performed well. I also left on relatively good terms despite being disappointed with their decision.
If you're not loving the new job, would be genuinely happy to return to the old one, and were satisfied that the redundancy decision was impersonal (well, as much as these things can be) and dictated by purely business needs, then I'd definitely test the water with a phone call - very little to lose with a chat.You'd need to be convinced that the expanded role being returned to wasn't a killer in terms of expectations and that the company had reached a sound financial footing by their actions. If you still have friends there that you can call in confidence to gauge the mood & morale, then so much the better. Plus check no strings were attached re the previous redundancy.
You may well find that your old employer would be delighted to have a familiar face back who can hit the ground running - involves much less induction training or risk your face won't 'fit'. They may even be in a position to offer better terms than before perhaps. And being comfortable/happy at work is a big deal in life contentment.
I know someone who did exactly this about 8 years ago, and they are still happily with the company today, having:
a) Banked & kept the redundancy (they bought a car with it)
b) Negotiated a much better package for their return than the one they held before being made redundant
c) Even managed to re-join the Final Salary DB Pension despite the break
In total, they were away from the company only 3-4 months.
Monkeylegend said:
Ussrcossack said:
Not hi to loose.
If you football you will always wonder
Good luck
Can somebody provide an interpretation, I don't seem to be on the ball with this one.If you football you will always wonder
Good luck
'OP, you have nothing to lose.
If you f
k around and do nothing you will always wonder what could have been.All the best.'
Jasandjules said:
Check that any settlement does not have a clause that entitles them to recover any payments or part of payments in the event you return to any group company within twelve months. It is a rare clause, but it does exist so best to check.. Apart from that no problem looking to go back there if you liked the place.
ThisHow you were made redundant is relevant here. If it was just statutory redundancy then you will be fine. If it was an enhanced redundancy then you will have clauses in your settlement such as those above.
He who dares, Rodders 
I did this although after a (much) larger gap - 10years.
And to a different site/group.
I did not leave on good terms, at least on my part, a very unhappy time. Although as these things can do it eventually worked out well and the new job was fantastic!
The return worked well. Interesting to reconnect with those who were still there. None of whom were my seniors/managers at redundancy.
I did this although after a (much) larger gap - 10years.
And to a different site/group.
I did not leave on good terms, at least on my part, a very unhappy time. Although as these things can do it eventually worked out well and the new job was fantastic!
The return worked well. Interesting to reconnect with those who were still there. None of whom were my seniors/managers at redundancy.
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