Depth of wall void for AV receiver
Depth of wall void for AV receiver
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anonymous-user

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70 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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I’m going to build a false wall to hold my TV and av equipment below.

I’m looking at a Denon receiver which is about 38cm in depth. I’m just wondering how much extra space to include for the wires and heat dissipation.

Do you think 45 cm or should I go to 50?

anonymous-user

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70 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Cheers!

I’ve got masses of width and height so no problem there.

Mr Pointy

12,571 posts

175 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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I'd agree with 500mm absolute minimum & more is better.

anonymous-user

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70 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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600 it is.

Crackie

6,386 posts

258 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Are you putting the AC outlet(s) into the void? If you listen at relatively low volumes levels and have fairly high impedance speakers you're unlikely to run into any cooling issues............but if you like to listen at decent levels and/or have lower impedance speakers, which will draw more current and cause the amp to run hotter then additional cooling might be useful to have.

An AC outlet with USB capability on the plate just in case........if needed you'll have an easy and low cost option to add a USB fan, or two, to keep temps down.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/K2743WHI-SOCKET-CHARGING-...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blukar-USB-Fan-Desk-Table...

Edited by Crackie on Monday 9th November 14:28

tonyg58

410 posts

215 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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If you are looking to essentially box them in,remember to leave plenty of length on all your cables.
It's easier to connect all the cables with the amp out os the unit so you can see what you are doing and then pushing it back in.
I've had to try and connect an amp up without this a couple of times and it's no fun.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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The amp will be running 5 ceiling speakers and a sub.

VEX

5,257 posts

262 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Random but interesting consideration.

Artisan Backpack - an AVR 5.1 processor that is slim enough to fit behind a TV in a wall recess.

https://hometheaterreview.com/artison-introduces-n...

Also, be cautious over any of the 2020/21 AVR's with 8k HDMI boards lots of issues with them at the moment and no one knows if they can be fixed with a firmware upgrade or it will be a board change!!!

Which is making stock levels 'interesting'

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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VEX said:
Random but interesting consideration.

Artisan Backpack - an AVR 5.1 processor that is slim enough to fit behind a TV in a wall recess.

https://hometheaterreview.com/artison-introduces-n...

Also, be cautious over any of the 2020/21 AVR's with 8k HDMI boards lots of issues with them at the moment and no one knows if they can be fixed with a firmware upgrade or it will be a board change!!!

Which is making stock levels 'interesting'
I was only looking at 4K stuff anyway as I’m pretty sure 8k is overkill for me.

Btw - I sent you an email earlier Vex.

VEX

5,257 posts

262 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Yes got it, have desk time tomorrow morning.

4k might be ok for now, but if the receiver is a keeper what happens to sources over the 3 or 4 years.

Just a word of caution, going in with your eyes open.

V.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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VEX said:
Yes got it, have desk time tomorrow morning.

4k might be ok for now, but if the receiver is a keeper what happens to sources over the 3 or 4 years.

Just a word of caution, going in with your eyes open.

V.
Good point. What HDMI cable do I go for to be future proofed in that case, 2.1?

mgv8

1,655 posts

287 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/21-hdmi-hdmi-cable-... for cables.

I would test the amp with setup to see how much heat comes off it first, the build something for it to fit in.

heisthegaffer

3,866 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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VEX said:
Random but interesting consideration.

Artisan Backpack - an AVR 5.1 processor that is slim enough to fit behind a TV in a wall recess.

https://hometheaterreview.com/artison-introduces-n...

Also, be cautious over any of the 2020/21 AVR's with 8k HDMI boards lots of issues with them at the moment and no one knows if they can be fixed with a firmware upgrade or it will be a board change!!!

Which is making stock levels 'interesting'
That looks brilliant.

VEX

5,257 posts

262 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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Certainly a very clever idea, took them a while to get it right in such a tight space, but its been out for a while now without any issues.

V

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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VEX said:
Certainly a very clever idea, took them a while to get it right in such a tight space, but its been out for a while now without any issues.

V
Do you know the UK price, Vex?

Also, is this purely for when space is tight? I assume unless you have a space issue then a normal a/v amp is the preferred choice, or am I missing something?


VEX

5,257 posts

262 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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You certainly pay a premium of its compactness, but i visited a potential whole house upgrade project tonight where it is the perfect solution.

IIRC it is circa £999.

But need to check my buy as I am sure there is a PH deal available.

JEA1K

2,627 posts

239 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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We always recommend depth +100mm for connections etc for AVR's. They do not react well to compact spaces, so heat or lack of airflow need to be avoided. They usually start cutting out at temp.

So just ensure enough void all the way around with an area for warm air to escape and cool air to enter.

I can recommend the Artisan backpack ... we've just completed a large refurb on Hyde Park gate and used the Artisan with their sound bar.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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JEA1K said:
We always recommend depth +100mm for connections etc for AVR's. They do not react well to compact spaces, so heat or lack of airflow need to be avoided. They usually start cutting out at temp.

So just ensure enough void all the way around with an area for warm air to escape and cool air to enter.

I can recommend the Artisan backpack ... we've just completed a large refurb on Hyde Park gate and used the Artisan with their sound bar.
We're got an issue on going back to the house that if we do a 500mm deep false chimney breast (which we are cladding as a feature wall) then it looks a bit too monolithic.

The Denon I'm looking at is 330 deep so if we went 400 for the wall we would have 70mm extra. It will have plenty of air above and about 400mm each side minimum so I guess that would be fine.

That backpack looks great but is a bit more pricey than a typical AV amp. All these new slim ones are tempting and although I don't need them that small, it would make my false wall far simpler to do, design wise.

VEX

5,257 posts

262 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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The only issue with building the void to a smaller, none standard size is replacing the amp in the future.

The same with building a recess, just the right size for your current tv, what happens when you want to change it. I always design recesses to be over sized with a front sheet on that matches the current TV. Then when you change the TV only the front panel needs changing.

V.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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VEX said:
The only issue with building the void to a smaller, none standard size is replacing the amp in the future.

The same with building a recess, just the right size for your current tv, what happens when you want to change it. I always design recesses to be over sized with a front sheet on that matches the current TV. Then when you change the TV only the front panel needs changing.

V.
Unfortunately it may be a necessity Vex. The Tv will be front mounted on the false chimney so can be changed anytime but a deeper wall may just look wrong. We’re on site over the weekend to see.