'Global stocks surged...'
'Global stocks surged...'
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Simpo Two

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92,708 posts

294 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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'Global stocks surged to record highs after the drug companies Pfizer and BioNTech announced that their coronavirus vaccine was 90% effective in trials, giving hope that economies around the world can soon return to normal.' More at:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/09/s...


The cynical part of me is interested that the Pfizer announcement happened just after Biden's election.

Countdown

49,366 posts

225 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Would the Pfizer Board and shareholders care more about

(A) Biden getting elected ; or
(B) Humungous profits from being the 1st Pharma to announce a vaccine?

I can’t think why they would care about (A) at all.
I can see several billion reasons as to why they would care about (B).

Simpo Two

Original Poster:

92,708 posts

294 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Having done a bit of scurrying about on the net, Pfizer shares don't seem to be the awesome buy you might at first think; there's rather more to it than just a vaccine. Hanging on a few days to swing an election might be worth more.

But the real point of my post was the good news about markets in general, and about time! Or will it be a blip, profits grabbed and it all goes back next week...?

s2sol

1,276 posts

200 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Simpo Two said:
Having done a bit of scurrying about on the net, Pfizer shares don't seem to be the awesome buy you might at first think; there's rather more to it than just a vaccine. Hanging on a few days to swing an election might be worth more.
Go on, then. Having done a bit of scurrying about on the net, why not show your workings, or your tinfoil hat.

Countdown

49,366 posts

225 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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Simpo Two said:
Having done a bit of scurrying about on the net, Pfizer shares don't seem to be the awesome buy you might at first think; there's rather more to it than just a vaccine. Hanging on a few days to swing an election might be worth more.

But the real point of my post was the good news about markets in general, and about time! Or will it be a blip, profits grabbed and it all goes back next week...?
Why?

As I asked above - why would they care whether Biden or Trump gets elected?

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

236 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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I’m not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but...can somebody explain insider trading rules to me? I don’t understand how, if you are one of the very many people who knew this vaccine was about to be revealed, that you couldn’t just tell your broker/wealthy friend he might want to look at shares in Pfizer, or BA, or let him work out the companies for himself.

Do the authorities really investigate every instance of someone buying a load of shares and them going sharply north in the first week or so?

Or is the world economy actual built upon insider trading and fraud?

dingg

4,537 posts

248 months

Monday 9th November 2020
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MiseryStreak said:
Or is the world economy actual built upon insider trading and fraud?
No but the stock market is, we just get to try and pick up the crumbs and make the best of it...

Magicmushroom666

99 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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Blue horseshoe loves anacott steel...

MiseryStreak said:
I’m not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but...can somebody explain insider trading rules to me? I don’t understand how, if you are one of the very many people who knew this vaccine was about to be revealed, that you couldn’t just tell your broker/wealthy friend he might want to look at shares in Pfizer, or BA, or let him work out the companies for himself.

Do the authorities really investigate every instance of someone buying a load of shares and them going sharply north in the first week or so?

Or is the world economy actual built upon insider trading and fraud?

LeoSayer

7,820 posts

273 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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MiseryStreak said:
I’m not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but...can somebody explain insider trading rules to me? I don’t understand how, if you are one of the very many people who knew this vaccine was about to be revealed, that you couldn’t just tell your broker/wealthy friend he might want to look at shares in Pfizer, or BA, or let him work out the companies for himself.

Do the authorities really investigate every instance of someone buying a load of shares and them going sharply north in the first week or so?
I'm sure they don't check every instance but would you want to risk prison time by doing it?

Kent Border Kenny

2,219 posts

89 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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MiseryStreak said:
I’m not sure if this is the right thread to ask this, but...can somebody explain insider trading rules to me? I don’t understand how, if you are one of the very many people who knew this vaccine was about to be revealed, that you couldn’t just tell your broker/wealthy friend he might want to look at shares in Pfizer, or BA, or let him work out the companies for himself.

Do the authorities really investigate every instance of someone buying a load of shares and them going sharply north in the first week or so?

Or is the world economy actual built upon insider trading and fraud?
If someone who’s never traded much before buys hundreds of thousands of shares just ahead of news like this then that stands out and will definitely be flagged and investigated.

dingg

4,537 posts

248 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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Sheepshanks

40,982 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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dingg said:
People at that level aren't allowed to buy and sell at random.


More generally, it's been widely commented on over the last 2-3 weeks that the NHS has been gearing up to run a vaccine programme with the Pfizer and/or the AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine.

dingg

4,537 posts

248 months

Wednesday 11th November 2020
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Sheepshanks said:
People at that level aren't allowed to buy and sell at random.


More generally, it's been widely commented on over the last 2-3 weeks that the NHS has been gearing up to run a vaccine programme with the Pfizer and/or the AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine.
But do have control over when news is released.....