CANZUK - new union of nations
Discussion
Post EU, the UK is in a position to capitalise on new relationships with the world's nations.
One of those new relationships that is gaining ground is connecting the UK with Australia, New Zealand and Canada (CANZUK).
A group of common wealth countries with shared culture, language, rule of law, customs and very similar societies. A closer common base that what the EU currently has with its now 27 members.
CANZUK could provide a shared prosperity that connects the far ends of the earth allowing its members a larger presence on the world stage, a similar freedom of movement between nations as what is seen in the EU and zero tarif trade.
It is no secret that the UK is heavily reliant on food imports to feed close to 70million people, where the likes of Australia and New Zealand would prosper. The UK in return could expend is financial services and engineering skill bases to Can, AU & NZ.
Many resources that each member can offer the other to achieve shared prosperity.
The idea is picking up political momentum as the UK exits the EU.
If the left wing (or at least opposition to Brexit) over in the EU and the USA (with Biden as a possible future) are not willing to offer the UK mutually beneficial trade deals then the UK has already has a path for the future.
I think if I remember correctly that CANZUK would place such a union to the 4th largest economic power, behind China, USA and the remaining EU.
What are your thoughts?
(Guessing there may be two camps on this - one opposing the idea due to staunch EU remain position, the other viewing it as extremely positive as the UK moves to new memberships outside the EU).
One of those new relationships that is gaining ground is connecting the UK with Australia, New Zealand and Canada (CANZUK).
A group of common wealth countries with shared culture, language, rule of law, customs and very similar societies. A closer common base that what the EU currently has with its now 27 members.
CANZUK could provide a shared prosperity that connects the far ends of the earth allowing its members a larger presence on the world stage, a similar freedom of movement between nations as what is seen in the EU and zero tarif trade.
It is no secret that the UK is heavily reliant on food imports to feed close to 70million people, where the likes of Australia and New Zealand would prosper. The UK in return could expend is financial services and engineering skill bases to Can, AU & NZ.
Many resources that each member can offer the other to achieve shared prosperity.
The idea is picking up political momentum as the UK exits the EU.
If the left wing (or at least opposition to Brexit) over in the EU and the USA (with Biden as a possible future) are not willing to offer the UK mutually beneficial trade deals then the UK has already has a path for the future.
I think if I remember correctly that CANZUK would place such a union to the 4th largest economic power, behind China, USA and the remaining EU.
What are your thoughts?
(Guessing there may be two camps on this - one opposing the idea due to staunch EU remain position, the other viewing it as extremely positive as the UK moves to new memberships outside the EU).
While the idea has merit, times have moved on both aus and nz are very much focused on trading with Asia. And Canada naturally is very us centric.
Trade deal with all three are a certainty but I don't think any thing closer than that will happen.
Freedom of movement would certainly not happen
Trade deal with all three are a certainty but I don't think any thing closer than that will happen.
Freedom of movement would certainly not happen
Gadgetmac said:
Sounds very similar to an organisation we just left.
The difference would be that many people in those four countries have strong family/friendship ties between one another. Despite working in several European countries during my career, I only have one close friend that has lasted - an Italian. Whereas I have many friends in the US and South Africa from my time woeking in these Countries, I do have family members in Australia, Canada and New Zealand, as I am confident many other posters do. Borghetto said:
Gadgetmac said:
Sounds very similar to an organisation we just left.
The difference would be that many people in those four countries have strong family/friendship ties between one another. Despite working in several European countries during my career, I only have one close friend that has lasted - an Italian. Whereas I have many friends in the US and South Africa from my time woeking in these Countries, I do have family members in Australia, Canada and New Zealand, as I am confident many other posters do. Not had any wars against them either!
FTAs are being discussed with CANZ (and are likely to happen), Its also likely that we may get easier visas. But beyond that what? We should have done this rather than join the EEC. It may appeal to Oz as they have too many eggs in the basket in trade terms with China dominating, similar for Canada in this case the USA dominates.
Gadgetmac said:
Sounds very similar to an organisation we just left.
It does, but the CANZUK nations are closer in historics, society, cultures, rule of law and language than the wider make up of the EU members.Possibly leading to a much more harmonised union. On top of that with much fewer members, there is likely much less compromise required for short and long term goals. Fewer members also should mean a quicker response to global conditions and global emergencies.
The geographic positions of each member within CANZUK may also show benefits given that they are on the far corners of the globe. And I think one of the most important aspect is that the union can be set up on the basis that each member is not in competition with each other but rather for mutual benefit and prosperity.
The EU on the other hand has members competing for resources, manufacturing output, fishing rights, etc. etc.
citizensm1th said:
While the idea has merit, times have moved on both aus and nz are very much focused on trading with Asia. And Canada naturally is very us centric.
Trade deal with all three are a certainty but I don't think any thing closer than that will happen.
Freedom of movement would certainly not happen
AUS are very much trying to get away from being reliant on Asia, especially China. Trade deal with all three are a certainty but I don't think any thing closer than that will happen.
Freedom of movement would certainly not happen
Depending on how the benefits are advertised I think even NZ would happily jump on board. With NZ looking to modernise and 'import' engineering knowledge, methods and systems for civil engineering and the like. Similar to what AUS has done over the past decade.
Canada also in a position to wishing to not be so reliant on the USA for trade. So on paper it looks like there is something in it for all members.
Freedom of movement I agree will likely be mostly for work, in terms of sharing expertise, knowledge and areas of economy that require filling.
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