UK Covid-19 Deaths exceed 50,000
Discussion
Another sobering figure reached today - 50,265 Covid-19 deaths reached today. These are ones only tested within 28 days of passing away, and when the inquiry is done, it could count many more. (Passed 100,000 on 26/01/21 - Total 100,162. Yet another sobering figure....) (UKGov)
Hopefully they will develop further successful vaccines soon which will treat a wider population.
Hopefully they will develop further successful vaccines soon which will treat a wider population.
Edited by CeramicMX5ND2 on Tuesday 26th January 16:50
Read an article, I think in New Scientist, that suggested the 50,000+ is an underestimate, and by a significant proportion.
It referred to Australian evidence that flu deaths had all but disappeared. On the graph it was a line bumping along the X-axis, it not being statistically significent. If one then looked at the excess deaths, taking away the expected flu deaths, the figure exceeded the official Covid deaths by some margin.
It referred to Australian evidence that flu deaths had all but disappeared. On the graph it was a line bumping along the X-axis, it not being statistically significent. If one then looked at the excess deaths, taking away the expected flu deaths, the figure exceeded the official Covid deaths by some margin.
barryrs said:
Died of any reason but tested positive isn’t it?
Correct. 50,000 is the number who died within 28 days of a positive test.The number for deaths where covid has been given as a cause of death is approximately 65,000 - this number includes a lot of cases from the first wave where testing was not available and where a medical diagnosis, without testing, was given.
Great news, if it wasn't for the intervention of professor shagger it might have been £500,000 (and counting) by now.
It's a meaningless figure though and MSM are creaming their knickers over it simply because it's fifty, yes, 5-0 thousand and "the highest in Europe" despite the fact that we will never know what the actual figures are on a comparable basis as they are all gathered and presented in entirely different ways.
More importantly we will never know the collateral effect of the draconian lockdown on no Covid health outcomes, including mental health, doubtless as the truth would be too unpalatable to publish.
and then the economic cost - that'll be down to Brexit I expect, nothing to do with Covid, no Siree
It's a meaningless figure though and MSM are creaming their knickers over it simply because it's fifty, yes, 5-0 thousand and "the highest in Europe" despite the fact that we will never know what the actual figures are on a comparable basis as they are all gathered and presented in entirely different ways.
More importantly we will never know the collateral effect of the draconian lockdown on no Covid health outcomes, including mental health, doubtless as the truth would be too unpalatable to publish.
and then the economic cost - that'll be down to Brexit I expect, nothing to do with Covid, no Siree
Guess there must be some figures to balance the 50 k but sadly no mentIon of how many deaths we
would expect over say jan to October on in an average year ,
Our MSM seem to have lost all sense of proportion that or they want to keep Karrens happy and
Witty and that other bellend along with Cockhand in a job a bit longer ...
would expect over say jan to October on in an average year ,
Our MSM seem to have lost all sense of proportion that or they want to keep Karrens happy and
Witty and that other bellend along with Cockhand in a job a bit longer ...
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Power unlimited power How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
so far, 20 jobs have been lost for every life lost. How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
On an individual level every loss of life is tragic. However, I would argue that on a societal level the loss of 1 million job will have a much worse, long term impact on the physical, mental and financial state of the nation.
I guess we'll see one way or the other.
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
We see a lot of posts like this & I'm curious to ask as follows: How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Suppose there had been no restrictions and no lockdowns and no travel restrictions.....
Have you heard anyone in the medical profession or specifically front line medical staff saying its all over blown & nothing to worry about?
What do you think the Covid death toll would have been in the UK with no restrictions in place?
What would be an acceptable death toll for you?
How many of your immediate family / friends / colleagues would you be OK with losing to Covid?
On the basis of what we see now (i.e. over 14K people in hospital & over 1500 new admittances daily), what do you suppose would have been the effect on the NHS's ability to treat anything and everything else anyway if there had been no restrictions?
There are thousands of NHS staff off-line with Covid now. With an even greater number out of action, who would be carrying out all the other treatments anyway?
Just askin'.....
Wombat3 said:
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
We see a lot of posts like this & I'm curious to ask as follows: How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Suppose there had been no restrictions and no lockdowns and no travel restrictions.....
Have you heard anyone in the medical profession or specifically front line medical staff saying its all over blown & nothing to worry about?
What do you think the Covid death toll would have been in the UK with no restrictions in place?
What would be an acceptable death toll for you?
How many of your immediate family / friends / colleagues would you be OK with losing to Covid?
On the basis of what we see now (i.e. over 14K people in hospital & over 1500 new admittances daily), what do you suppose would have been the effect on the NHS's ability to treat anything and everything else anyway if there had been no restrictions?
There are thousands of NHS staff off-line with Covid now. With an even greater number out of action, who would be carrying out all the other treatments anyway?
Just askin'.....
https://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/worthi...
So we did put a price on a life and there are thousands of cases like hers.
All change now though.
Taylor James said:
Wombat3 said:
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
We see a lot of posts like this & I'm curious to ask as follows: How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
Suppose there had been no restrictions and no lockdowns and no travel restrictions.....
Have you heard anyone in the medical profession or specifically front line medical staff saying its all over blown & nothing to worry about?
What do you think the Covid death toll would have been in the UK with no restrictions in place?
What would be an acceptable death toll for you?
How many of your immediate family / friends / colleagues would you be OK with losing to Covid?
On the basis of what we see now (i.e. over 14K people in hospital & over 1500 new admittances daily), what do you suppose would have been the effect on the NHS's ability to treat anything and everything else anyway if there had been no restrictions?
There are thousands of NHS staff off-line with Covid now. With an even greater number out of action, who would be carrying out all the other treatments anyway?
Just askin'.....
https://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/worthi...
So we did put a price on a life and there are thousands of cases like hers.
All change now though.
Even so, its not comparable with a widespread pandemic like Covid because its a contained/isolated thing.
Covid is not contained in the same way. There are no good answers to dealing with it but the judgement is that the cost (both in terms of lives lost and economically) of letting it run riot is far higher than if we contain it, so we do what we can to contain it.
Wombat3 said:
We see a lot of posts like this & I'm curious to ask as follows:
Suppose there had been no restrictions and no lockdowns and no travel restrictions.....
Have you heard anyone in the medical profession or specifically front line medical staff saying its all over blown & nothing to worry about?
What do you think the Covid death toll would have been in the UK with no restrictions in place?
What would be an acceptable death toll for you?
How many of your immediate family / friends / colleagues would you be OK with losing to Covid?
On the basis of what we see now (i.e. over 14K people in hospital & over 1500 new admittances daily), what do you suppose would have been the effect on the NHS's ability to treat anything and everything else anyway if there had been no restrictions?
There are thousands of NHS staff off-line with Covid now. With an even greater number out of action, who would be carrying out all the other treatments anyway?
Just askin'.....
TL:DR - sSuppose there had been no restrictions and no lockdowns and no travel restrictions.....
Have you heard anyone in the medical profession or specifically front line medical staff saying its all over blown & nothing to worry about?
What do you think the Covid death toll would have been in the UK with no restrictions in place?
What would be an acceptable death toll for you?
How many of your immediate family / friends / colleagues would you be OK with losing to Covid?
On the basis of what we see now (i.e. over 14K people in hospital & over 1500 new admittances daily), what do you suppose would have been the effect on the NHS's ability to treat anything and everything else anyway if there had been no restrictions?
There are thousands of NHS staff off-line with Covid now. With an even greater number out of action, who would be carrying out all the other treatments anyway?
Just askin'.....
t happens. Hide from it or live with it Or;In order:
Yes, there's a reasonable number of them. Search for Pneumothorax on here as a starter for 10. There are a number of others elsewhere.
Probably more in the short-term, but unless we have a wonderfully efficient, totally safe vaccine that everyone is entirely happy to take, some not massive degree either side of what would probably happen anyway. Just not spread out quite so much. A proportion of the population are vulnerable to this particular nasty, but the majority aren't. Why should be the first question, but seems to have been secondary to vaccine, vaccine, test, trace
About what it will likely do anyway. Unfortunately, the majority don't suffer but a certain minority pay heavily. Mostly, the old, but they have always been marvelous at doing what nature says they should.
It is just a case of whose turn it is, which 9.9 times out of 10 is the old we'll almost all be at some point. That's the way of a world that isn't 6000 years old. Strong survive, weak don't, that's how things survive, improve, die out. We can smooth the edges, push the average up a bit, but that's more or less all.
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t happens unfortunately. Seen those people die from a whole range of things and on quite a few occasions before what society has deemed 'their time'. That concept seems to be shifting ever further towards we all should live forever. We shouldn't and every single one of us won't.The NHS has some genuinely good and talented people, if sometimes castrated by dreadful management, political will of the time, organisational bloat, a complete unwillinigness to think a bit differently, lack of ability/desire to look in the mirror and so on.
How many thousands? Random number of 10,000 out of a payroll of a healthy amount over 1m is entirely normal, but very easy to hype into apocalypse. Multiply that by 10 and that 10 being the important element and it would be of more concern. In reality, it is an easy stat to throw around that sounds scary on the face of it, as so many are at the moment.
As something the other way. Do you ever watch any kind of nature program, any Attenborough one as an example, watch lots of things get eaten or die, a few make a one (or maybe more) day escape all sorts of life forms do incredible things, or suffer in great numbers and then carry on regardless? What makes you think those rules aren't equally applied to all?
Lord.Vader said:
That’s it ... in 11 months, 80% over 75 too.
How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
That's clever, use the stats on deaths following the lockdown and restrictions that you imply are not warranted to justify why the lockdown and restrictions are not warranted!! How many tens of thousands of people have lost their jobs and will lose their homes.
How many people will die because their routine check ups / operations / chemotherapy were cancelled, people who should have had 10/20/30/40 years of life left.
50,000 is a pointless number, how many deaths above the normal.
Economy is ruined anyway and for what.
See how the logic falls down?
You're naive to think that the 50k wont go higher, and naive to think it would only be 50k if nothing had been done.
As for the economy being "ruined", i am not sure if you have taken a look around, but life's going on fairly normally for most people, some sectors are clearly hit, others less so, others have been very buoyant indeed. Yes, overall, things are down, but it is far from ruined. There's still 67million people getting fed, 25million to 30million going to work, most people still have their homes etc etc. If you want to see the economy really get a kicking, lose the healthcare system and see what happens and how quickly!
DukeDickson said:
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TL:DR - st happens. Hide from it or live with it Or;
In order:
Yes, there's a reasonable number of them. Search for Pneumothorax on here as a starter for 10. There are a number of others elsewhere.
Probably more in the short-term,...
Go on then, put a number on it......TL:DR - s
t happens. Hide from it or live with it Or;In order:
Yes, there's a reasonable number of them. Search for Pneumothorax on here as a starter for 10. There are a number of others elsewhere.
Probably more in the short-term,...
irc said:
barryrs said:
Died of any reason but tested positive isn’t it?
Correct. I know an elderly woman who has terminal lung cancer and who tested positive last week. If the cancer gets her in the next 3 weeks it's a Cobid death.Isn't modern society amazing?
Instead of dealing with a pandemic the way we always did. All we had to do was stay at home and keep our children away from effective education for most of the year. Shut down aviation, hospitality and the arts.
Those pilots can now earn a living delivering parcels instead of people to their holiday destinations.
We can just all go caravaning in the summertime and who needs entertainment when we can replace all that with online zoom gigs and Netflix. The future is going to be awesome!
I'll be amazed if we don't do this every year now.
We can work from our well equipped home offices and get everything delivered to our homes to save 100,000s of lives that would have been lost to this and other truly horrendous respiratory diseases like flu.
I mean how amazing is that? We actually found a way to inadvertently cure flu whilst we did all this!
We have created a huge number of vaccines that shall now mean instead of dieing through a respiratory illness. I can be safe in the knowledge I can live out my final years in a care home and die a dignified death through either dementia COPD or boredom.
As for the financial cost? We can just inflate our way out of the 500Billion+. Who cares?
We can just print more, we have been doing it for years.
So what if we see ballooning of assets and an increase in the cost of everything whilst simultaneously see a stagnation in wages for the next 20 years.
It only affects the next generation, and to be honest who gives a damn about them? It's the here and now which is important to us all.
Instead of dealing with a pandemic the way we always did. All we had to do was stay at home and keep our children away from effective education for most of the year. Shut down aviation, hospitality and the arts.
Those pilots can now earn a living delivering parcels instead of people to their holiday destinations.
We can just all go caravaning in the summertime and who needs entertainment when we can replace all that with online zoom gigs and Netflix. The future is going to be awesome!
I'll be amazed if we don't do this every year now.
We can work from our well equipped home offices and get everything delivered to our homes to save 100,000s of lives that would have been lost to this and other truly horrendous respiratory diseases like flu.
I mean how amazing is that? We actually found a way to inadvertently cure flu whilst we did all this!
We have created a huge number of vaccines that shall now mean instead of dieing through a respiratory illness. I can be safe in the knowledge I can live out my final years in a care home and die a dignified death through either dementia COPD or boredom.
As for the financial cost? We can just inflate our way out of the 500Billion+. Who cares?
We can just print more, we have been doing it for years.
So what if we see ballooning of assets and an increase in the cost of everything whilst simultaneously see a stagnation in wages for the next 20 years.
It only affects the next generation, and to be honest who gives a damn about them? It's the here and now which is important to us all.
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