Iannone Ban Extended
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Steve Bass

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10,753 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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From 18 months to 4 years...

That's his career done with then.

Shame but CAS determined that the doping was highly likely to be deliberate and went with the WADA appeal demanding the full 4 years.


Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Brutal. Especially since it's not even been established how big a performance advantage it would have given.

That said, that's now two reviews concluded says he took it intentionally, and rather than take it on the chin he then wasted everyone's time with an appeal.

Should have pled guilty. It's certainly a deterrent.

MrGman

1,667 posts

236 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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After following him on Instagram for a while I wonder if it was taken for his riding or just to help him out in the gym to aid his image.

Either way what a way to ruin your career as a top rider.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

155 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Prof Prolapse said:
Brutal. Especially since it's not even been established how big a performance advantage it would have given.

That said, that's now two reviews concluded says he took it intentionally, and rather than take it on the chin he then wasted everyone's time with an appeal.

Should have pled guilty. It's certainly a deterrent.
of course, just bend over and take it, don't waste everyone's time defending yourself

Turkish91

1,120 posts

232 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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I think I’ve missed it (and cba to google) what is the drug in question?

I was surprised when I saw the news. Harsh sentence for just trying to appeal it. Almost certainly his racing career over!

Patrick Star

207 posts

93 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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'Iannone tested positive for banned anabolic steroid Drostanolone at last year's Malaysian MotoGP'


Better known as Masteron,used to cut and harden.

Steve Bass

Original Poster:

10,753 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Brutal. Especially since it's not even been established how big a performance advantage it would have given.

That said, that's now two reviews concluded says he took it intentionally, and rather than take it on the chin he then wasted everyone's time with an appeal.

Should have pled guilty. It's certainly a deterrent.
of course, just bend over and take it, don't waste everyone's time defending yourself
As opposed to what?? Lie, cheat and deceive your way out of it??
That's why the penalty was raised by such a significant amount.....

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

155 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Steve Bass said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Brutal. Especially since it's not even been established how big a performance advantage it would have given.

That said, that's now two reviews concluded says he took it intentionally, and rather than take it on the chin he then wasted everyone's time with an appeal.

Should have pled guilty. It's certainly a deterrent.
of course, just bend over and take it, don't waste everyone's time defending yourself
As opposed to what?? Lie, cheat and deceive your way out of it??
That's why the penalty was raised by such a significant amount.....
the penalty was raised so that the next guy rolls over and admits guilt right on the spot, for whatever offence

Steve Bass

Original Poster:

10,753 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
Steve Bass said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Brutal. Especially since it's not even been established how big a performance advantage it would have given.

That said, that's now two reviews concluded says he took it intentionally, and rather than take it on the chin he then wasted everyone's time with an appeal.

Should have pled guilty. It's certainly a deterrent.
of course, just bend over and take it, don't waste everyone's time defending yourself
As opposed to what?? Lie, cheat and deceive your way out of it??
That's why the penalty was raised by such a significant amount.....
the penalty was raised so that the next guy rolls over and admits guilt right on the spot, for whatever offence
Wow, you never fail to amaze...

Ok whatever...

unident

6,702 posts

81 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
the penalty was raised so that the next guy rolls over and admits guilt right on the spot, for whatever offence
You are beyond words. How do you function in society?

FredericRobinson

5,131 posts

262 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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As I understand it the drug in question helps with weight loss, he was saying before the test failure was announced that he'd lost 7kg, 7kg is a significant advantage

Steve Bass

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Thursday 12th November 2020
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FredericRobinson said:
As I understand it the drug in question helps with weight loss, he was saying before the test failure was announced that he'd lost 7kg, 7kg is a significant advantage
And originally developed for the treatment of inoperable breat cancers but no longer marketed.
And given its properties unlikely to be used in the advancement of animal development or growth.

hiccy18

4,189 posts

97 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Have to admit the more comes out the more I think he deliberately took it to aid his fitness and weight loss regime and the less likely I find his accidental doping claims. He offered no further evidence at his appeal and had been under pressure to boost his fitness at the time; perhaps a reason for the (immense) loyalty from Aprilia during this period is collusion?

Steve Bass

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10,753 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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hiccy18 said:
Have to admit the more comes out the more I think he deliberately took it to aid his fitness and weight loss regime and the less likely I find his accidental doping claims. He offered no further evidence at his appeal and had been under pressure to boost his fitness at the time; perhaps a reason for the (immense) loyalty from Aprilia during this period is collusion?
I can imagine Aprilia putting pressure on for better fitness but no one in their right mind would leave a trail back to the team.
Andrea admits to losing 7kgs which wouldn't be an issue for my fat ass but he wasn't carrying much to begin with!
Sadly he probably followed his "trainer's " advice believing the drug would be untraceable in a couple of days.
Where he fell foul though is having no credible evidence as to what meat he ate was contaminated or evidence of similar contamination.
Sadly, CAS has little option in the absence of credible substation to consider the consumption a wilful act.
Problem is that anyone can then take anything and claim contamination of food and get away with it. Sadly, some innocents will fall because of their inability to prove their innocence, possibly Andrea being one. But maybe not.

Mastodon2

14,338 posts

195 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
the penalty was raised so that the next guy rolls over and admits guilt right on the spot, for whatever offence
Meanwhile, on planet Earth...

Drawweight

3,611 posts

146 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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The WADA had already appealed against the 18 month sentence anyway so his only hope was to get the verdict overthrown.

As soon as that appeal was dismissed then the increased sentence kicked in.

Kent Border Kenny

2,219 posts

90 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
of course, just bend over and take it, don't waste everyone's time defending yourself
If you’re guilty then yes, admit it when caught fair and square.

Cheeses of Nazareth

789 posts

81 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Its a st situation where the bans are designed around the Olympic cycle so 4 years... with how marginal so e of these things are, for me 6 months first offence , 1 year second... gives a guy a chance to not turn an innocent mistake into a career ending issue.


unident

6,702 posts

81 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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Cheeses of Nazareth said:
Its a st situation where the bans are designed around the Olympic cycle so 4 years... with how marginal so e of these things are, for me 6 months first offence , 1 year second... gives a guy a chance to not turn an innocent mistake into a career ending issue.
Is it an innocent mistake though? Or do you mean the innocent mistake was getting caught?

Cheeses of Nazareth

789 posts

81 months

Thursday 12th November 2020
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unident said:
Is it an innocent mistake though? Or do you mean the innocent mistake was getting caught?
In this instance i dont know, you would have to ask if it was possible to accidentally have the levels found , or if it a genuine case of guilty as charged.

We have seen MX guys in the US banned for what is basically trace amounts they have have found in stuff that shoukd not be there in the first place.

Its difficult to compare cases, but its easy to get caught out , having gained zero advantage, or not even being aware.

And the FIM are st at getting this stuff pushed through... in the NFL they get caught , and banned , and are back playing befire our guys even know what they are actually going to charged with.