The ‘Great Reset’
Discussion
The post covid world as it were, being discussed by Time magazine, Prince Charles the WEF etc. It is slowly replacing the ‘new normal” we were repeatedly told to expect. The PM of Canada is becoming increasingly open about the scope the great reset will have. Our own PM seems on board, his repeated use of ‘build back better’ a phrase used by members of the WEF & IMF as well as many politicians inc Biden, Trudeau, Aherne. His announcement of our current lockdown wearing a UN agenda 21/30 lapel badge and his sudden love of wind power and electric cars seem more than coincidental.
What do we think it looks like for us average boys and girls?
How does a ‘new green deal’, the rolling out of ‘the fourth industrial revolution’ (AI) and a rapid shift toward ‘communitarianism’ change society?
Perhaps this was all going to happen naturaly anyway. But to me it is starting to look a teeny weeny bit authoritarian and big brotherish. As if free market economics will be further abandoned as our rulers pick winners which align with their post covid vision, and throw others onto the scrapheap.
Are we all on board?
Not that we on here matter, I can see a lot of people jumping for joy at anything that promises to keep them safe and make the world fair. Which is not to say that i believe the great reset will result in either.
What do we think it looks like for us average boys and girls?
How does a ‘new green deal’, the rolling out of ‘the fourth industrial revolution’ (AI) and a rapid shift toward ‘communitarianism’ change society?
Perhaps this was all going to happen naturaly anyway. But to me it is starting to look a teeny weeny bit authoritarian and big brotherish. As if free market economics will be further abandoned as our rulers pick winners which align with their post covid vision, and throw others onto the scrapheap.
Are we all on board?
Not that we on here matter, I can see a lot of people jumping for joy at anything that promises to keep them safe and make the world fair. Which is not to say that i believe the great reset will result in either.
Not sure about revolution but I do think there will be social unrest.
Even before Covid the ingredients were there:
-massive concentration of wealth
-ageing population who will need their pensions/health care etc much longer than was projected
-reduced employment prospects
-fewer permanent and more gig jobs
Now we add to that:
-massive government debts that will have to be repaid
-low growth
-in the UK case unknown Brexit result
-Overwhelming impact of Covid on health providers
This means that the working population will face huge tax grabs. Of course the wealthy will be hit harder, but money is very mobile; people will change countries and so on, so the middle class will be hit like a train. The people at the bottom are likely. to turn violent in my view.
Even before Covid the ingredients were there:
-massive concentration of wealth
-ageing population who will need their pensions/health care etc much longer than was projected
-reduced employment prospects
-fewer permanent and more gig jobs
Now we add to that:
-massive government debts that will have to be repaid
-low growth
-in the UK case unknown Brexit result
-Overwhelming impact of Covid on health providers
This means that the working population will face huge tax grabs. Of course the wealthy will be hit harder, but money is very mobile; people will change countries and so on, so the middle class will be hit like a train. The people at the bottom are likely. to turn violent in my view.
purplepenguin said:
Revolution - one way or another
I don't think so, not this time. We already had that - "Пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь!".But the bankers bought them off, like they do with everyone else. If you take away everything a banker owns but leave him power to create credit ex nihilo, with the stroke of a pen he will create enough credit to buy it all back again.
Revolutions usually only succeed with outside support. If everyone is in on the plan, there's no-one to support a fight and nowhere left to run to.
Surely m there is something going on as this virus response just doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe the Green nut jobs concluded that we were about to destroy the planet and had to do this to change the world?
Either way, this must be Gretas wet dream, all of us sitting in our houses all day. They aren’t going to give it up easily.
Maybe the Green nut jobs concluded that we were about to destroy the planet and had to do this to change the world?
Either way, this must be Gretas wet dream, all of us sitting in our houses all day. They aren’t going to give it up easily.
RDMcG said:
Not sure about revolution but I do think there will be social unrest.
Even before Covid the ingredients were there:
-massive concentration of wealth
-ageing population who will need their pensions/health care etc much longer than was projected
-reduced employment prospects
-fewer permanent and more gig jobs
Now we add to that:
-massive government debts that will have to be repaid
-low growth
-in the UK case unknown Brexit result
-Overwhelming impact of Covid on health providers
This means that the working population will face huge tax grabs. Of course the wealthy will be hit harder, but money is very mobile; people will change countries and so on, so the middle class will be hit like a train. The people at the bottom are likely. to turn violent in my view.
Globalization is a "top plus bottom versus middle" thing. It's great for the top - the Davos set and their first line reports - since they get to boss around the whole world instead of one country and get to steal/expropriate from the whole world instead of one country. It's potentially good for the bottom - the third world peasants - as their lives might improve a bit from the abject poverty they were originally in. But it's crap for the middle - i.e. the ordinary citizens of erstwhile first-world countries - as they get demoted to the global peon class. After all, why should an ordinary citizen in the UK have a higher standard of living than one in, e.g. Bangladesh?Even before Covid the ingredients were there:
-massive concentration of wealth
-ageing population who will need their pensions/health care etc much longer than was projected
-reduced employment prospects
-fewer permanent and more gig jobs
Now we add to that:
-massive government debts that will have to be repaid
-low growth
-in the UK case unknown Brexit result
-Overwhelming impact of Covid on health providers
This means that the working population will face huge tax grabs. Of course the wealthy will be hit harder, but money is very mobile; people will change countries and so on, so the middle class will be hit like a train. The people at the bottom are likely. to turn violent in my view.
Misanthrope said:
If everyone is in on the plan, there's no-one to support a fight and nowhere left to run to.
The Communists have long believed that the key to the failure in East Germany was that everyone had a relative in the West with a car. So they have long hated private transport, and still expect the glorious revolution to work when it is the entire planet.Not that the WEF/UN plans are Communist. The merger of corporate and state power is Fascism.
They will look much the same from down here.
grumbledoak said:
The Communists have long believed that the key to the failure in East Germany was that everyone had a relative in the West with a car.
Not all of them. Some think it was because they "deviated from the plan" after 1953 and got sucked into a dick-measuring contest with the West.Misanthrope said:
grumbledoak said:
The Communists have long believed that the key to the failure in East Germany was that everyone had a relative in the West with a car.
Not all of them. Some think it was because they "deviated from the plan" after 1953 and got sucked into a dick-measuring contest with the West.
contest.eccles said:
As usual it will be paid for by Mr Average earnings. The poor will be subsidised, the rich will avoid it and everyone else in the middle will be shafted.
That’d not really “as usual”; high earners pay by far the most in, whether you look as a portion of their earnings or as an absolute amount per person.In income tax, for example, the top 1% of earners earn 14% of all wages and pay 30% of the total tax.
When you take all direct payments in and out (so include benefits and tax credits) the lowest three quintile households are net receivers (which of course contains median earners) the second-top pays in a few thousand per household per year, and the top quintile pays pretty much everything.
In the UK we tax our highest earners a similar amount as our neighbours do, but tax middle-earners far less.
Kent Border Kenny said:
eccles said:
As usual it will be paid for by Mr Average earnings. The poor will be subsidised, the rich will avoid it and everyone else in the middle will be shafted.
That’d not really “as usual”; high earners pay by far the most in, whether you look as a portion of their earnings or as an absolute amount per person.In income tax, for example, the top 1% of earners earn 14% of all wages and pay 30% of the total tax.
When you take all direct payments in and out (so include benefits and tax credits) the lowest three quintile households are net receivers (which of course contains median earners) the second-top pays in a few thousand per household per year, and the top quintile pays pretty much everything.
In the UK we tax our highest earners a similar amount as our neighbours do, but tax middle-earners far less.
Real wage/salary values for the middle classes have falling for decades and the rich have increased their wealth
purplepenguin said:
The rich will always find a way of being ok - regardless of whether it’s a portion of their earnings or as an absolute amount per person, the actual sum of money they have will be far in excess of the general public will ever have.
Real wage/salary values for the middle classes have falling for decades and the rich have increased their wealth
But that wasn’t the claim being made, and saying that the rich will always be OK is a tautology really, as you are saying that we are OK because we are rich.Real wage/salary values for the middle classes have falling for decades and the rich have increased their wealth
As to your “general public” phrase, we are every bit as much part of the general public as are you.
So what’s your actual claim here?
grumbledoak said:
The Communists have long believed that the key to the failure in East Germany was that everyone had a relative in the West with a car. So they have long hated private transport, and still expect the glorious revolution to work when it is the entire planet.
Not that the WEF/UN plans are Communist. The merger of corporate and state power is Fascism.
They will look much the same from down here.
Nothing to do with communism just failing in general then?Not that the WEF/UN plans are Communist. The merger of corporate and state power is Fascism.
They will look much the same from down here.
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