2008 and Onwards
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I really hope that is the case. Recently F1 has become far to political. If the teams were to break away then we will see F1 back as the sport it used to be. No more weekly rule changes and stupid punsishments.
Also then we would be guaranteed that a Ferrari wouldn't win the championship
Also then we would be guaranteed that a Ferrari wouldn't win the championship
Graham said:
yeah but what happens when the manufacturers loose interest, as they all will at some point
look at the ford/jaguar case in point...
better to renegotiate F1..
Most of teams involved have been around for so long they wont just get bored. Jaguar only went down the pan because Ford couldn't afford it anymore and cut back on all motorsport activity's.
They are also run very independantly of the parent company's so really doubt that teams who have been in the sport for years and years will simply give up.
kevinday said:
With the farcical US GP I am now firmly of the belief that the breakaway group will go their own way in 2008 leaving just Ferrari and maybe Red Bull in F1.
What do you all think?
did BMW not link up with Red Bull recently? i think if that was the case, then the chances of BMW siding with ferrari are very slim, they willmost likely join the other "constructors". Most likely it will be Jordan to side with ferrari. The Midland group seem to be siding with ferrari at the moment though this might be pressure from ferrari rather than midland believing it is the best way forwards.
Big manufacturers are here to stay in F1.
Renault retired in the 90s on a high saying that they had done all they could and it served no purpose to continue in F1. 4-5 years later they are back because they realised the value that F1 had on their brand as a whole.
Honda did the same thing in the early 90s. At the height of their game they retired, only to come back many years later because they discovered that it enhanced their brand value.
So will Mercedes dip out of F1? I doubt it, they've bagged one of the best teams and from what I've seen of Merc they stay pretty much for the longterm. BMW are repositioning themselves to enhance their brand. Honda look likely to take a bigger stake in BAR in the near future.
There is plenty of investment in the sport.
As the old adage from Ford (?) Race at the weekend and sell on Monday. Or something like that.
Renault retired in the 90s on a high saying that they had done all they could and it served no purpose to continue in F1. 4-5 years later they are back because they realised the value that F1 had on their brand as a whole.
Honda did the same thing in the early 90s. At the height of their game they retired, only to come back many years later because they discovered that it enhanced their brand value.
So will Mercedes dip out of F1? I doubt it, they've bagged one of the best teams and from what I've seen of Merc they stay pretty much for the longterm. BMW are repositioning themselves to enhance their brand. Honda look likely to take a bigger stake in BAR in the near future.
There is plenty of investment in the sport.
As the old adage from Ford (?) Race at the weekend and sell on Monday. Or something like that.
When Renault backed out a few years ago it was because the Renault Turbo engine had become so good that the only time it got any press coverage was if one blew up! They felt this wasn't the sort of publicity they wanted. I think they came back because they realised that any publicity is good publicity.
BMW have bought out, or are about to buy out, Sauber, so they are in it for the long term. They have stated that they consider the only way to win a world championship is by having their own team. The latest story is that Mercedes are about to buy Ilmor who, as an independent company, have been developing and building the Mercedes F1 engine. The manufacturers are obviously in it for the long haul.
The recent farce in the US did nothing to harm a continuance of F1 after 2008. Bernie has been seen to have done everything he could to get the race run, it was down to Max Mosely of the FIA, who wasn't even there, that refused to allow any changes that would have allowed the Michelin runners to compete.
Out of it all, my view is that Mosely in particular and the FIA in general have come out the worst. Even Michelin have taken some stick but, rather than try and pass the blame onto anyone else, have held their hands up and admitted they got it wrong.
Anyway, Mosely deserves the boot for putting a chicane in the Mulsanne straight all those years ago!!!
BMW have bought out, or are about to buy out, Sauber, so they are in it for the long term. They have stated that they consider the only way to win a world championship is by having their own team. The latest story is that Mercedes are about to buy Ilmor who, as an independent company, have been developing and building the Mercedes F1 engine. The manufacturers are obviously in it for the long haul.
The recent farce in the US did nothing to harm a continuance of F1 after 2008. Bernie has been seen to have done everything he could to get the race run, it was down to Max Mosely of the FIA, who wasn't even there, that refused to allow any changes that would have allowed the Michelin runners to compete.
Out of it all, my view is that Mosely in particular and the FIA in general have come out the worst. Even Michelin have taken some stick but, rather than try and pass the blame onto anyone else, have held their hands up and admitted they got it wrong.
Anyway, Mosely deserves the boot for putting a chicane in the Mulsanne straight all those years ago!!!
gilbertd said:
BMW have bought out, or are about to buy out, Sauber, so they are in it for the long term. They have stated that they consider the only way to win a world championship is by having their own team. The latest story is that Mercedes are about to buy Ilmor who, as an independent company, have been developing and building the Mercedes F1 engine. The manufacturers are obviously in it for the long haul.
I thought Mercedes bought into Ilmor years ago and purchased the remaining shares a year ago or so.
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