24 Race Season with a rotation of circuits says Chase Carey
24 Race Season with a rotation of circuits says Chase Carey
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carinaman

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23,376 posts

188 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Sounds good to me. In my opinion F1 cannot claim to be the pinnacle of motor sport when it doesn't visit circuits like Portimao.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2020/11/20/carey-f1-m...

Sandpit Steve

13,009 posts

90 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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carinaman said:
Sounds good to me. In my opinion F1 cannot claim to be the pinnacle of motor sport when it doesn't visit circuits like Portimao.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2020/11/20/carey-f1-m...
Does sound as if the F1 higher-ups are at least listening to the feedback, where we revisited some great old circuits this year for some great races, but cant go back under the F1 financial model - where a promoter needs to put $20m up front and can only make it back from ticket sales.

A couple of ‘joker’ races, rotating each year around the classic tracks, would be brilliant for F1, as I guess the TV audiences have shown in 2020.

Well done Chase and F1.

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
carinaman said:
Sounds good to me. In my opinion F1 cannot claim to be the pinnacle of motor sport when it doesn't visit circuits like Portimao.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2020/11/20/carey-f1-m...
Does sound as if the F1 higher-ups are at least listening to the feedback, where we revisited some great old circuits this year for some great races, but cant go back under the F1 financial model - where a promoter needs to put $20m up front and can only make it back from ticket sales.

A couple of ‘joker’ races, rotating each year around the classic tracks, would be brilliant for F1, as I guess the TV audiences have shown in 2020.

Well done Chase and F1.
My thoughts exactly. People always focus on 'F1 goes where it's paid to go', but if these oddball races are very popular then that has its own value in terms of the TV rights they sell.

I do hope they end up with at least a couple of oddball/new circuits each year. It helps it feel more like a world tour which I think is good for the sport.

Some Gump

12,992 posts

202 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Imagine F1 at knockhill, or cadwell, or Kylami, or Laguna Seca or or or...

I know these can never happen but we can dream!

LucyP

1,773 posts

75 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Imagine the traffic chaos at the first 2! No overtaking would be possible at Cadwell. You wouldn't get 2 F1 cars side by side without exceeding track limits!

Edited by LucyP on Friday 20th November 12:55

ArnageWRC

2,283 posts

175 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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'PInnacle of motorsport; is spouted routinely by people who mostly only watch/work in F1.

Stratovarious

8,080 posts

194 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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LucyP said:
Imagine the traffic chaos at the first 2! No overtaking would be possible at Cadwell. You wouldn't get 2 F1 cars side by side without exceeding track limits!
Not a problem these days, cars exceed track limits all the time and don't get penalised.

Pachydermus

1,069 posts

128 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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More is not necessarily better. Who has time to watch 24 races?

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Pachydermus said:
More is not necessarily better. Who has time to watch 24 races?
More variety is better. And surely more races than you have time for is better than less?

AlexS

1,573 posts

248 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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ArnageWRC said:
'PInnacle of motorsport; is spouted routinely by people who mostly only watch/work in F1.
And most people who state that F1 isn't the pinnacle can't provide a decent answer as to what is.

Some Gump

12,992 posts

202 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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LucyP said:
Imagine the traffic chaos at the first 2! No overtaking would be possible at Cadwell. You wouldn't get 2 F1 cars side by side without exceeding track limits!

Edited by LucyP on Friday 20th November 12:55
Aye but imagine seeing F1 cars try to deal with the mountain, or have to break traction to deal with the hairpin.
Imagine Grosjean at Duffers dip.
Imagine 2 side by side at the Goose Neck

It'd be utter carnage. It'd be class!

ch37

10,642 posts

237 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Some Gump said:
Imagine F1 at knockhill, or cadwell, or Kylami, or Laguna Seca or or or...

I know these can never happen but we can dream!
As is always pointed out, if you love a local circuit the last thing you'd want is the FIA/F1 getting their hands on it.

patmahe

5,886 posts

220 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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Pachydermus said:
More is not necessarily better. Who has time to watch 24 races?
This is true, especially if they are at poor circuits. Give me 12-16 races at awesome circuits and I'd be happy.

With the budget cap coming in too, 24 races will put huge pressure on F1 team personnel and their families. I'd imagine it will make it a less appealing place for people to work with all that travelling, but money talks I guess.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

97 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Pachydermus said:
More is not necessarily better. Who has time to watch 24 races?
More variety is better. And surely more races than you have time for is better than less?
More variety of the same crap isn't any better.

The great thing about this season was that, with 17 races, you would look forward to the next one. Like you would in 1999 when there were what, 17/18 races on the calendar? It meant you had a fortnight between races and you had something to look forward to.

Stratovarious

8,080 posts

194 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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24 races a year is an average of nearly one a fortnight.

Then take into account the fact that some of them are 3 weeks apart, the 4 week break in the summer and the 4 month break between seasons, and an awful lot of those races are going to end up on consecutive weekends!

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

62 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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It's a ridiculous amount of races, think of the environment, that amount of shopping or freight is ludicrous. The fact you will have to have to amounts of staff at some places, it's beyond crazy I am afraid.

If ever this sport has disappeared so far up its own behind it is in this desperate search for money, it truly is desperate.

Going to Saudi was enough, but this now.

Records from years ago mean nothing now other than perhaps the number of titles which you have to congratulate Lewis on.

RichB

54,259 posts

300 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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LukeBrown66 said:
It's a ridiculous amount of races...
I agree, think of the people working in the teams, they didn't sign up to be in the army but they would be away from home most of the year. Crazy. Personally I thought 16 was sufficient.

DaveE87

1,149 posts

151 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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I think what we'll realistically see is a variety of triple headers. However, even if we had triple headers from the start with 2 weekends off between them, we'd see 24 races over something like 38 weekends. If the Friday is dropped (which I can't see happening for the historic tracks) it's still a mammoth task.

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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How many people are queueing up for a job in F1? More than enough to make the job even more intensive and not run out of willing employees desperate to take it on.

The logistics angle will have been thought about, along with the cost implications. Naturally F1 is on a cost cutting drive right now so those with all the figures and facts in front of them (not us..) must consider it doable without the teams breaking the bank.

All this stuff will have happened behind the scenes and been discussed at lengths, the teams will have been consulted and must have known this was the plan when they all signed the new agreement - otherwise they would have signed on the condition races were capped at the current level. Their lawyers aren't going to leave wide open the door for Liberty to snatch the signed agreements off the table and immediately announce extra race weekends that they knew nothing about!

ch37

10,642 posts

237 months

Friday 20th November 2020
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24 weekends, mostly bang in the middle of the day is simply too much for me to even attempt to follow live. That's nearly half of all the weekends in a year cut apart by racing.

I love the early morning races and the evening ones in the Americas, but if anything more races means I'm increasingly likely to move away from Sky (despite it in theory being better value) and embrace extended highlights at a time that suits.

I now watch football exclusively via 3 minute official highlights uploaded to YouTube (often very quickly after a match) and I've really got used to that now, never thought F1 could begin to head in that direction.

Edited by ch37 on Friday 20th November 21:10