At what vehicle age do you go indy?
Discussion
Im running a 2015 911 and its next service is due in march. Im pondering coming out of the main dealer network and extended warranty and using a decent indy.
- What age would you consider not using the main dealers for servicing?
- Besides the Porsche extended warranty what would be the second choice?
mikeh501 said:
Im running a 2015 911 and its next service is due in march. Im pondering coming out of the main dealer network and extended warranty and using a decent indy.
Ask yourself - What age would you consider not using the main dealers for servicing?
- Besides the Porsche extended warranty what would be the second choice?
"Would you pay a it more for a car with a full Porsche Service History"
or would it worry you if a car you were thinking of buying had a part indie service history
Ultimately it will depend on the indie you use and how well they are regarded
Personally I think I would stick to main dealer for servicing for at least 8 years as that is only 4 services and use and indie for any repair work they notify you of
I would also pay a bit more for a car with FPSH on a 991 I would easily pay £1K or or more for FPSH compared to part PSH and part Indie SH, unless indie was really well known and respected.
Twinfan said:
OPC for all services, Indy for everything else.
A fully stamped Porsche book is worth its weight in gold at sale time. Either for a higher price, or a quicker sale, or both.
This probably where ill start. I havent priced up the service yet nor got some indie quotes. You still using the porsche extended warranty? or is there one which is 90% as good?A fully stamped Porsche book is worth its weight in gold at sale time. Either for a higher price, or a quicker sale, or both.
Depends how long you think you'll keep your car. Mine is a keeper and fell out of opc control 8 years ago, before the 2 year service because:
A. The nearest opc is 50 miles away
B. The additional cost of servicing would have been £500 for service and £1000 for the 3extended warranty.
Add on the opc attitude towards replacing audio components or adding after market reversing sensors and the choice was not difficult.
So now in year 10 of ownership, I have saved 9very £7000 and had no issues on a reliable car apart from the gear change cables.
Ymmv....
A. The nearest opc is 50 miles away
B. The additional cost of servicing would have been £500 for service and £1000 for the 3extended warranty.
Add on the opc attitude towards replacing audio components or adding after market reversing sensors and the choice was not difficult.
So now in year 10 of ownership, I have saved 9very £7000 and had no issues on a reliable car apart from the gear change cables.
Ymmv....
mikeh501 said:
This probably where ill start. I havent priced up the service yet nor got some indie quotes. You still using the porsche extended warranty? or is there one which is 90% as good?
If you want a warranty, stay Porsche but you're restricted to a completely standard car.I didn't run the extended warranty on my previous car and won't be on my current one either.
Thanks all, and about what I expected in terms of breadth of opinion. Ive had the car 3 years this March and still love it, not sure what Id swop it for at this point other than a touring I couldnt afford! Its likely to be a keeper especially if I can find a good indie and some kind of warranty on it for the 'big bits'.
Twinfan said:
OPC for all services, Indy for everything else.
A fully stamped Porsche book is worth its weight in gold at sale time. Either for a higher price, or a quicker sale, or both.
It's getting to a point it's worth zero.A fully stamped Porsche book is worth its weight in gold at sale time. Either for a higher price, or a quicker sale, or both.
it double the cost OPC and on bigger services even more than double, so in 10 years after 5 services going indy will save you more money than your cars worth with full OPC history.
My local indy is now saying they see cars in for the 1st service, and they log it with OPC as most have GTV why even think about OPC.
on rare cars it a tough one so at least the first 2 services go OPC imo. but then how rare ? my Spyder quite rare but I went indy, these cars have a value and you cannot book the trends in prices, you buy on condition and miles with a tier one service dates stamps on time. it not even worth 1p more with full OPC stamps but does look nice in the book I guess.
the key here is use a known 3rd party Porsche indy, not a garage down your local estate.
mikeh501 said:
Thanks all, and about what I expected in terms of breadth of opinion. Ive had the car 3 years this March and still love it, not sure what Id swop it for at this point other than a touring I couldnt afford! Its likely to be a keeper especially if I can find a good indie and some kind of warranty on it for the 'big bits'.
Lovely looking car.You don't say where you;re based. As ChrisW says, not all indies are regarded as equal, any more than all OPCs. If you state approximate location, someone may be able to recommend a good indie(s).
As cars get older and are less frequently seen by the OPC entwork, IMHO a good indie is far safer,. However, your car is not in that category at present.
I disagree. I believe the average non-PH buyer will want FPSH, they won't have a clue who RPM or JZM etc are and won't bother to find out. It will be much easier to sell or trade a car with FPSH, and that could be worth ££££s in either time or value.
You pays yer money and takes yer choice!
You pays yer money and takes yer choice!
Twinfan said:
I disagree. I believe the average non-PH buyer will want FPSH, they won't have a clue who RPM or JZM etc are and won't bother to find out. It will be much easier to sell or trade a car with FPSH, and that could be worth ££££s in either time or value.
You pays yer money and takes yer choice!
the average Porsche buyer don't even own the car ! it's on finance with a GFV.You pays yer money and takes yer choice!
on say a10 years olds 2nd hand Porsche so not yet a classic, you have spend £5k more over the 10 years and the car will get valued the same come part ex time as your OPC won't want to touch a 10 year old car to resell. So you kept it in the OPC loop and they don't now want it !
the buyer for a car like a GT3 in 997 format will know about Porsche indy's and may well pay more for a car looked after by Fernsport or the likes.
So yes you pays the money you get ripped off, that's the choice atm in the past I always went OPC, but the prices have shot up too much now to even think about it, it's not going to push my Spyder over £50k if I have it serviced at my OPC so it's money down the toilet.
Digga said:
Lovely looking car.
You don't say where you;re based. As ChrisW says, not all indies are regarded as equal, any more than all OPCs. If you state approximate location, someone may be able to recommend a good indie(s).
As cars get older and are less frequently seen by the OPC entwork, IMHO a good indie is far safer,. However, your car is not in that category at present.
Thanks. Im based in staffs moorlands. Weissach in Middlewich and MLR in Stoke have been mentioned by people i know.You don't say where you;re based. As ChrisW says, not all indies are regarded as equal, any more than all OPCs. If you state approximate location, someone may be able to recommend a good indie(s).
As cars get older and are less frequently seen by the OPC entwork, IMHO a good indie is far safer,. However, your car is not in that category at present.
mikeh501 said:
Digga said:
Lovely looking car.
You don't say where you;re based. As ChrisW says, not all indies are regarded as equal, any more than all OPCs. If you state approximate location, someone may be able to recommend a good indie(s).
As cars get older and are less frequently seen by the OPC entwork, IMHO a good indie is far safer,. However, your car is not in that category at present.
Thanks. Im based in staffs moorlands. Weissach in Middlewich and MLR in Stoke have been mentioned by people i know.You don't say where you;re based. As ChrisW says, not all indies are regarded as equal, any more than all OPCs. If you state approximate location, someone may be able to recommend a good indie(s).
As cars get older and are less frequently seen by the OPC entwork, IMHO a good indie is far safer,. However, your car is not in that category at present.
Not heard of other indies you mention, but recommendation from people you know is usually good.
If the car is due its third service and is still under the Porsche extended warranty I would have the service done at an OPC before the warranty expires but shop around for cost.
Warranties can currently be extended without the 111 point check even if they haven't expired.
My 911 is five years old next March and coming to the end of its warranty. If I renew the warranty, I'll be committing to a six year service at an OPC the following year as I think the two go hand in hand. If you want the warranty you use an OPC for service.
These are increasingly complicated cars. How reliable is the PDK (mine is) for instance and what are the costs involved?
In relation to an earlier point, OPCs at one time wouldn't sell a car over four years old. The oldest 911 currently on the Porsche website is (I think) 16 years old. There are two others at ten years old which will come with a two year warranty. Handy as one is a Targa.
Warranties can currently be extended without the 111 point check even if they haven't expired.
My 911 is five years old next March and coming to the end of its warranty. If I renew the warranty, I'll be committing to a six year service at an OPC the following year as I think the two go hand in hand. If you want the warranty you use an OPC for service.
These are increasingly complicated cars. How reliable is the PDK (mine is) for instance and what are the costs involved?
In relation to an earlier point, OPCs at one time wouldn't sell a car over four years old. The oldest 911 currently on the Porsche website is (I think) 16 years old. There are two others at ten years old which will come with a two year warranty. Handy as one is a Targa.
BertBert said:
Porsche911R said:
but the prices have shot up too much now to even think about it
That seemed to be a conclusion from a discussion on DDK the other day. How much have the OPC prices gone up?on my GT4 ie a new car I think is was £600 odd 1st service, on my GT3 1st they wanted £1200 but I got it down to just under £900 "a price just for me sir, don't tell any one" WTF ...
it not 20% like Porsche seem to say, it's now a load more £££££ the 4 years on GT cars I guess will be now >£2k jobs which a few years back were £800
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