speed awareness after 3 years or not an option on 9 points?

[karatemaserati]

iv got 3 sp30's totaling 9 points and just recieved a 4th NIP for 37 in a 30... one of them expires next month aswell.

i did an awareness course im pretty sure was 3 plus years ago but have read varying accounts of them not being offered regardless if you already have 9 points???

im in plymouth devon anyone know the score down there?

[BertBert]

I think you are right, on 9 points I don't think you'll get a course but you'll be up for totting up ban unfortunately.

[SS2.]

In typical PH fashion, I will put across a counter opinion and say that having 9 points will not serve as an automatic bar to you being invited to attend a speed awareness course.

[agtlaw]

karatemaserati said:

iv got 3 sp30's totaling 9 points and just recieved a 4th NIP for 37 in a 30... one of them expires next month aswell.

i did an awareness course im pretty sure was 3 plus years ago but have read varying accounts of them not being offered regardless if you already have 9 points???

im in plymouth devon anyone know the score down there?

Penalty points shouldn’t make any difference to eligibility for a course.

Is there anything on the Devon police website?

[sociopath]

Also in typical PH fashion, 9 pts and another NIP tends to indicate that an awareness course would be wasted?

[GT03ROB]

sociopath said:

Also in typical PH fashion, 9 pts and another NIP tends to indicate that an awareness course would be wasted?

...that he's already done one, would tend to confirm that supposition.... sorry OP but this thread is rather leading with your chin...

[TheDrownedApe]

You don't deserve another awareness course, you deserve a ban.

[agtlaw]

Mumsnet >>>

[MrOrange]

TheDrownedApe said:

You don't deserve another awareness course, you deserve a ban.

I don’t agree, but 37 in a 30 is the offence of the feeble-minded. In fact, I’d go as far as to say as the OP deffo does need education.

Best outcome? A speed awareness course plus 3 points coming off the license next month and no more silly speeding in 30 nonsense.

A ban would just be, in effect, an idiot tax.

[TheDrownedApe]

MrOrange said:

I don’t agree, but 37 in a 30 is the offence of the feeble-minded. In fact, I’d go as far as to say as the OP deffo does need education.

Best outcome? A speed awareness course plus 3 points coming off the license next month and no more silly speeding in 30 nonsense.

A ban would just be, in effect, an idiot tax.

The OP has 3 previous prosecutions of speeding in built up, pedestrian, areas. They have shown no indication of learning from the previous opportunities and still insist on putting people at risk due to their inability to follow the rules.


The best outcome, for whom?

Edit. I assumed sp30 was speeding in 30...my bad. Still 3 previous speeding prosecutions should have been enough education.

Edited by TheDrownedApe on Saturday 5th December 11:57

[SS2.]

TheDrownedApe said:

The OP has 3 previous prosecutions of speeding in built up, pedestrian, areas.

That's some crystal ball you have there.

[Heaveho]

TheDrownedApe said:

The OP has 3 previous prosecutions of speeding in built up, pedestrian, areas. They have shown no indication of learning from the previous opportunities and still insist on putting people at risk due to their inability to follow the rules.


The best outcome, for whom?

Given that you will have no bearing on the outcome of this, and aren't doing anything to help, why bother commenting? Start a support group and have a weekly, socially distanced meeting about it if you feel that bad about someone else you'll likely never meet doing something that hasn't affected you directly, and is only here to seek specific advice.

Waste of time asking for advice on here op, the number of people who only exist here to criticise far outweighs the number of genuine ones who can actually help or at least have some empathy.

[agtlaw]

TheDrownedApe said:

The OP has 3 previous prosecutions of speeding in built up, pedestrian, areas. They have shown no indication of learning from the previous opportunities and still insist on putting people at risk due to their inability to follow the rules.


The best outcome, for whom?

SP30 doesn’t mean a 30 mph limit. It means non-motorway speeding offence. It could be the heinous crime of doing 57 mph on a 50 limit dual carriageway or 79/70 mph.

[TheDrownedApe]

agtlaw said:

SP30 doesn’t mean a 30 mph limit. It means non-motorway speeding offence. It could be the heinous crime of going 57 on a 50 limit dual carriageway.

OK right my bad. Thanks

[SS2.]

TheDrownedApe said:

Edit. I assumed sp30 was speeding in 30...my bad. Still 3 previous speeding prosecutions should have been enough education.

First rule of holes.

[MrOrange]

TheDrownedApe said:

The OP has 3 previous prosecutions of speeding in built up, pedestrian, areas. They have shown no indication of learning from the previous opportunities and still insist on putting people at risk due to their inability to follow the rules.


The best outcome, for whom?

37 is not very high on the “putting people at risk” scale and more a reflection of poor driving standards and attention span as 4mph slower would not impede the journey and also avoid trouble.

Learning for some takes longer than others and we all benefit from a little more education. If the OP takes this on the chin, does the SAC and learns to slow the pace by 10% in built-up areas then everyone wins; the public, the OP, the planet.

A ban can be life-changing for some and rarely in a positive way. For totting up, a ban is mostly punitive for the actual offence and in this case feels way out of proportion to the crime.

[Heaveho]

I wonder how the defence of " I'm afraid I ran over and killed someone while driving at the posted limit because I was looking at the speedo more than the road so as not to break the law " would work?

[deckster]

MrOrange said:

37 is not very high on the “putting people at risk” scale and more a reflection of poor driving standards and attention span as 4mph slower would not impede the journey and also avoid trouble.

Learning for some takes longer than others and we all benefit from a little more education. If the OP takes this on the chin, does the SAC and learns to slow the pace by 10% in built-up areas then everyone wins; the public, the OP, the planet.

A ban can be life-changing for some and rarely in a positive way. For totting up, a ban is mostly punitive for the actual offence and in this case feels way out of proportion to the crime.

I don't really agree on the last point. Minor offences like this are indeed typically not the hallmark of a psychopathic maniac, but are more typically indicative of somebody who habitually drives a bit too fast without paying much attention. But the fact remains that most people manage to drive around without totting up bans and so whilst it's not exactly crime of the century, the point is that the softly-softly approach clearly hasn't worked and therefore perhaps something with a bit more teeth is needed. This is the whole point of the totting-up ban: it has to hurt.

At the end of the day, 28 days of having use the bus and rely on other people is a far more effective educational tool than a morning spent at the local Hilton drinking coffee.

[SS2.]

deckster said:

This is the whole point of the totting-up ban: it has to hurt.

At the end of the day, 28 days of having use the bus and rely on other people is a far more effective educational tool than a morning spent at the local Hilton drinking coffee.

A totting ban isn't 28 days.

[martinbiz]

Heaveho said:

I wonder how the defence of " I'm afraid I ran over and killed someone while driving at the posted limit because I was looking at the speedo more than the road so as not to break the law " would work?

I would suggest that if anyone has to look constantly at a speedo to maintain a speed inside the legal limit then driving may well not be the best form of transport for them