Can one person have 2 company cars?
Can one person have 2 company cars?
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skilly1

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2,785 posts

211 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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Can a Director have and declare 2 company cars, and give one to their partner? If so can they both be fully electric and the Director pays 0 BIK on them as they are both electric? They would be declared under the Directors BIK form.

Partner is not employed by the company.

ETA - clear up wording.

Edited by skilly1 on Tuesday 8th December 13:13

Justin85

69 posts

149 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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Why not? You can have as many as you want. They will be added to your salary as a taxable benefit, just like the first company car. The fact that your partner drives one or both cars too is neither here nor there, as long as insurances provides for he/she to do so etc.

isleofthorns

620 posts

186 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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Justin85 said:
Why not? You can have as many as you want. They will be added to your salary as a taxable benefit, just like the first company car. The fact that your partner drives one or both cars too is neither here nor there, as long as insurances provides for he/she to do so etc.
could be wrong, but I think the BIK would get apportioned relative to the use of each car.... perhaps one of the resident accountants can clarify..

trickywoo

13,120 posts

246 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Justin85 said:
Why not? You can have as many as you want. They will be added to your salary as a taxable benefit, just like the first company car. The fact that your partner drives one or both cars too is neither here nor there, as long as insurances provides for he/she to do so etc.
I think op is suggesting all money comes out of the company as is policy at the moment for electric.

If this is what he proposes I would suggest the second car would be a massive red flag at hmrc and lead to trouble for him and in turn mrs.

skilly1

Original Poster:

2,785 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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trickywoo said:
Justin85 said:
Why not? You can have as many as you want. They will be added to your salary as a taxable benefit, just like the first company car. The fact that your partner drives one or both cars too is neither here nor there, as long as insurances provides for he/she to do so etc.
I think op is suggesting all money comes out of the company as is policy at the moment for electric.

If this is what he proposes I would suggest the second car would be a massive red flag at hmrc and lead to trouble for him and in turn mrs.
That’s why I’m asking, as not going to do anything illegal but can’t find anything to say I can’t do it.

LimJim

2,274 posts

58 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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trickywoo said:
I think op is suggesting all money comes out of the company as is policy at the moment for electric.

If this is what he proposes I would suggest the second car would be a massive red flag at hmrc and lead to trouble for him and in turn mrs.
I've been thinking of doing exactly this. Replacing our 2nd car, mainly driven by the better half, with a 2nd company EV in my name.

Why is it a red flag? What rules forbid it? Isn't this what BIK is for? What's to stop me buying 10 EVs under current rules?

BIK is 0% this year (going up to 1% next year)

C350Akra

13,428 posts

296 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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isleofthorns said:
could be wrong, but I think the BIK would get apportioned relative to the use of each car.... perhaps one of the resident accountants can clarify..
Cannot be a benefit in kind to the partner unless they are employed by that company. BIK can only be applied to an employee of the company giving the benefit.

skilly1

Original Poster:

2,785 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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C350Akra said:
isleofthorns said:
could be wrong, but I think the BIK would get apportioned relative to the use of each car.... perhaps one of the resident accountants can clarify..
Cannot be a benefit in kind to the partner unless they are employed by that company. BIK can only be applied to an employee of the company giving the benefit.
It would be on my benefit on kind, not the partner. I would just let her use it.

Sheepshanks

37,633 posts

135 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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A lot may have changed but my missus used to work for the Contributions Agency when it was separate from HMRC. She did an inspection at a company and they had two Merc CLKs, but no employers NI was being paid on them. The accountant said there was none due - as they were used by the directors wives who weren't employees.

They weren't very happy with the bill!

LimJim

2,274 posts

58 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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That's my understanding, just ENICs And BIC to pay if registered under my (director and employee) name.

So just ENICS in practice

Corvid-2020

1,994 posts

95 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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I've got two jobs with two car allowances but only one car! What is the implications of that. Plus teh wife gets a car allowance and as we work different shifts / rota due to childcare (one of us always at home) we only need one car so her allowance also pays for that car.

Both insured for business. All employers "safe drive" schemes passed wrt insurance etc.

Mattt

16,664 posts

234 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Car allowance is simply un-pensioned salary.

jzma

87 posts

51 months

Sunday 23rd January 2022
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Did you manage to get an answer for this?
I am in a similar position and have heard mixed answers from colleagues and two accountants?

skilly1

Original Poster:

2,785 posts

211 months

Sunday 23rd January 2022
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Yes it turns out you can have as many company cars as you want as long as you pay the relevant tax.

DaveA8

695 posts

97 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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Not sure if it's still relevant but at one stage, 2 cars listed to a director actually activated some kind of surcharge but that was around 2005

ecs

1,373 posts

186 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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I asked my accountant about this as we were looking at a second EV for my wife and his view was that HMRC would treat it as tax avoidance and recommended against it (company has single employee/director, i.e. me).

ntiz

2,572 posts

152 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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I have a RRS P400e and a Tesla Model S in my company as both owned by me. Wife drives the Tesla most day.

I pay BIK on both so non on the Tesla. My accountant advised me I could have as many as I like as long as I pay all the correct tax on them.

Edited by ntiz on Monday 24th January 12:15

lizardbrain

2,966 posts

53 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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ecs said:
I asked my accountant about this as we were looking at a second EV for my wife and his view was that HMRC would treat it as tax avoidance and recommended against it (company has single employee/director, i.e. me).
If the car is purely for personal use I can’t see the logic why it’s tax avoidance?

Or at least, why one car isn’t tax avoidance and two cars is?

MaxFromage

2,405 posts

147 months

Monday 24th January 2022
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ecs said:
I asked my accountant about this as we were looking at a second EV for my wife and his view was that HMRC would treat it as tax avoidance and recommended against it (company has single employee/director, i.e. me).
You need to ask your accountant again, as that's bad advice.

pacenotes

373 posts

160 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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ecs said:
I asked my accountant about this as we were looking at a second EV for my wife and his view was that HMRC would treat it as tax avoidance and recommended against it (company has single employee/director, i.e. me).
Couldn't you give her 1 share and make her a company director so you could get her a car/phone through your company.

We have loads of lovely directors' 'lunch' meetings.