Rules for Tier 4.
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Kent Border Kenny

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2,219 posts

89 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Is anyone able to say what the rules are for a Tier 4 area, rather than the guidance?

I was planing on driving up to our Northumberland home tomorrow to spend Christmas there. No mingling or partying.

Is this legal?

Jack ketch

62 posts

107 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Not an answer but where is your home in Northumberland? I live down south and am fortunate to have another home not too far from Morpeth. If family commitments were different Northumberland is where I would chose live.
Rick

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Rules not published yet AFAIK. Ask again tomorrow.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

91 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Kent Border Kenny said:
Is anyone able to say what the rules are for a Tier 4 area, rather than the guidance?

I was planing on driving up to our Northumberland home tomorrow to spend Christmas there. No mingling or partying.

Is this legal?
From where?

BV is right to wait for the legislation, but the tier you’re in (travelling from) is likely to be relevant.

Austin_Metro

1,485 posts

77 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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BV is right. No sign of the actual regulations. Despite the ‘laws’ applying from midnight.

I can guess some parliamentary drafts men are very busily re doing the last set of regs for tier 4.

All looks rather like an abrupt handbrake turn?

PrinceRupert

11,631 posts

114 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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anonymous said:
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If there is no mingling then he could travel at his leisure. There were no movement restrictions.

Kent Border Kenny

Original Poster:

2,219 posts

89 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Jack ketch said:
Not an answer but where is your home in Northumberland? I live down south and am fortunate to have another home not too far from Morpeth. If family commitments were different Northumberland is where I would chose live.
Rick
Not far from Morpeth either. That’s where I’m from, and to where I hope to return.

The not mingling bit isn’t 100% true. We’ve lived a hermetically sealed life this past week, leaving the house only to get drive-through tests today, and I’d hoped to let my parents see their little grand children.

PrinceRupert

11,631 posts

114 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Kent Border Kenny said:
Not far from Morpeth either. That’s where I’m from, and to where I hope to return.

The not mingling bit isn’t 100% true. We’ve lived a hermetically sealed life this past week, leaving the house only to get drive-through tests today, and I’d hoped to let my parents see their little grand children.
That will be illegal other than on Christmas Day assuming neither of you are in Tier 4.

Kent Border Kenny

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2,219 posts

89 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
From where?

BV is right to wait for the legislation, but the tier you’re in (travelling from) is likely to be relevant.
If necessary I’ll return to my Amsterdam home before going to Newcastle, so it can be “from” an allowable place.

I’ve done everything right this year, and will continue to, other than possibly for the next two weeks, after which we’ll seal ourselves in again until certain we’re clean.

Kent Border Kenny

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2,219 posts

89 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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PrinceRupert said:
That will be illegal other than on Christmas Day assuming neither of you are in Tier 4.
Thanks.

I’d still go if it was my decision, after making very sure that we are negative, but my parents aren’t rule breakers.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

91 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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PrinceRupert said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
Not far from Morpeth either. That’s where I’m from, and to where I hope to return.

The not mingling bit isn’t 100% true. We’ve lived a hermetically sealed life this past week, leaving the house only to get drive-through tests today, and I’d hoped to let my parents see their little grand children.
That will be illegal other than on Christmas Day assuming neither of you are in Tier 4.
What, will specifically be illegal?

Tier 2 is rule of six outdoors. Tier 3 is rule of six outdoors in some spaces (such as parks).

CaterBram

134 posts

204 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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local restrictions can be checked and are upto date with Tier 4.

https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-local-restrict...

and full restrictions

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

PrinceRupert

11,631 posts

114 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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markyb_lcy said:
What, will specifically be illegal?

Tier 2 is rule of six outdoors. Tier 3 is rule of six outdoors in some spaces (such as parks).
The assumption was that mingling meant indoor mingling.

BlackTails

3,873 posts

84 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Kent Border Kenny said:
Not far from Morpeth either. That’s where I’m from, and to where I hope to return.

The not mingling bit isn’t 100% true. We’ve lived a hermetically sealed life this past week, leaving the house only to get drive-through tests today, and I’d hoped to let my parents see their little grand children.
I happened to be looking at the current regs this morning. It seemed to me that a family in tier 3 could travel to a second home in tier 2, stay there, and come back. But they couldn’t meet up with anyone in T2 on T2 terms; they had to meet up on T3 terms (which would preclude you and your family meeting your parents indoors).

If the same scheme is carried into any new regs , then assuming you are allowed to travel out of T4 at all, then at your destination you would be bound by the T4 rules on meeting up (reported to be with one person only, outdoors).

Oceanrower

1,358 posts

141 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CaterBram said:


local restrictions can be checked and are upto date with Tier 4.

https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-local-restrict...

and full restrictions

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home
Those are NOT the restrictions as the legislation has (still) not been published...

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

91 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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PrinceRupert said:
markyb_lcy said:
What, will specifically be illegal?

Tier 2 is rule of six outdoors. Tier 3 is rule of six outdoors in some spaces (such as parks).
The assumption was that mingling meant indoor mingling.
Fair enough. Mingling is mingling. Indoor or outdoor, to me smile

CoolHands

23,421 posts

224 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Just no comment if you get stopped by the police. What they going to do?

steve2

1,862 posts

247 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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It will be interesting if they check vehicles at the Dartford Tunnel on Monday morning, lorries and vans coming through, yes but private cars?
I don’t think there will be any checks at all.

scoey1001

921 posts

110 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CoolHands said:
Just no comment if you get stopped by the police. What they going to do?
Not 100% but I think they can arrest you under the 'Covid lawz' if you fail to provide details and take you to the station for finger print checks etc. to try and find your identity if you don't comply. Very unlikely to be stopped though i reckon.

agtlaw

7,402 posts

235 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CaterBram said:
local restrictions can be checked and are upto date with Tier 4.

https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-local-restrict...

and full restrictions

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home
That is quite obviously not “full restrictions.”

Legislation is published on the legislation website. Check here in due course: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi