Ideological Subversion
Discussion
To end 2020 and start a new year, this is another highly political topic and describes a picture of what we see currently 'infecting' western populations, having 'infected' many other populations in history.
This youtube vid (below) briefly covers the worrying trend that we can witness day in and day out within the media and on internet forums and explains why the USA and other western nations currently live in highly charged political atmospheres, whereby many are triggered by the slightest 'off piste' comment that doesn't align to the politically correct regime of modern day restricted speech and thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7CiljQ_LI
Search youtube for ideological subversion and there are many videos on the subject. It goes a long way to explain things like why students are being turned in to 'political weapons', why the majority of the media is left leaning, why political correctness began and what its purpose is, and also why people automatically reject anything that doesn't follow the narratives they've been told. - despite logic and reason that flies in the face of it.
Any way, happy discussions....
This youtube vid (below) briefly covers the worrying trend that we can witness day in and day out within the media and on internet forums and explains why the USA and other western nations currently live in highly charged political atmospheres, whereby many are triggered by the slightest 'off piste' comment that doesn't align to the politically correct regime of modern day restricted speech and thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7CiljQ_LI
Search youtube for ideological subversion and there are many videos on the subject. It goes a long way to explain things like why students are being turned in to 'political weapons', why the majority of the media is left leaning, why political correctness began and what its purpose is, and also why people automatically reject anything that doesn't follow the narratives they've been told. - despite logic and reason that flies in the face of it.
Any way, happy discussions....
Maybe it's more about idealogical intolerance and immaturity.
For example Jordan Peterson has a new book. Some of the staff at Penguin have been crying (actually crying) because they really, really don't want to publish his book because they see his views or advice as an affront to their views. So it's not just that he might have different views but more that they don't want his views to be published or they don't want to participate in the publication of his views. There's also an element of melodramatic overreaction and a hysteria that's built up where reason goes out of the window.
It's no longer about confronting or comparing different viewpoints but instead trying to stop them without any discussion. But that approach is never met with capitulation (unless enacted with threat by an ultimate power) so only ever escalates or propagates conflict!
So if there is any truth in some shady players behind this then they're not doing it to promote any particular ideology at all but instead just to facilitate conflict and disruption by nurturing a mindset that won't engage with reason. That kind of mindset limits progression and learning through critical thinking and questioning.
For example Jordan Peterson has a new book. Some of the staff at Penguin have been crying (actually crying) because they really, really don't want to publish his book because they see his views or advice as an affront to their views. So it's not just that he might have different views but more that they don't want his views to be published or they don't want to participate in the publication of his views. There's also an element of melodramatic overreaction and a hysteria that's built up where reason goes out of the window.
It's no longer about confronting or comparing different viewpoints but instead trying to stop them without any discussion. But that approach is never met with capitulation (unless enacted with threat by an ultimate power) so only ever escalates or propagates conflict!
So if there is any truth in some shady players behind this then they're not doing it to promote any particular ideology at all but instead just to facilitate conflict and disruption by nurturing a mindset that won't engage with reason. That kind of mindset limits progression and learning through critical thinking and questioning.
YorkshireWhisky said:
It's a funny one, isn't it?!
Proper engagement with a topic of discussion doesn't mean automatic agreement or disagreement with the premise that one thinks the OP might have set.
But, if we want to register a difference of opinion then it's always best to offer some kind of substance with it.
A large part of The problem is this: [report to moderator]
I notice the thread on "justifictions or reasons for suicide" got pulled. I don't know the exact reason why but we can guess. People get triggered and rather than dial out or try to engage, they need to change everyone elses world to how they think it should be. In this case we actually are in a rising suicide epidemic that quite obviously affects a number of members and talking about it should be encouraged, but due to the fragility of a minority - and i guess a moderation policy of "make problem go away" that is denied.
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, s
t I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.
I notice the thread on "justifictions or reasons for suicide" got pulled. I don't know the exact reason why but we can guess. People get triggered and rather than dial out or try to engage, they need to change everyone elses world to how they think it should be. In this case we actually are in a rising suicide epidemic that quite obviously affects a number of members and talking about it should be encouraged, but due to the fragility of a minority - and i guess a moderation policy of "make problem go away" that is denied.
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, s
t I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.Teddy Lop]A large part of The problem is this: [report to moderator said:
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, st I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.
I agree with this; we need to be tolerant of others opinions, even if we don’t agree with them (within reason, of course: Tolerating Nazis might be a step too far!)t I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.Iamnotkloot said:
I agree with this; we need to be tolerant of others opinions, even if we don’t agree with them (within reason, of course: Tolerating Nazis might be a step too far!)
depends what you mean by tolerate; free speech did include precisely that in the Skokie case, jewish lawyers defending the rights of nazis to publically express their trite.GroundZero said:
To end 2020 and start a new year, this is another highly political topic and describes a picture of what we see currently 'infecting' western populations, having 'infected' many other populations in history.
This youtube vid (below) briefly covers the worrying trend that we can witness day in and day out within the media and on internet forums and explains why the USA and other western nations currently live in highly charged political atmospheres, whereby many are triggered by the slightest 'off piste' comment that doesn't align to the politically correct regime of modern day restricted speech and thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7CiljQ_LI
Search youtube for ideological subversion and there are many videos on the subject. It goes a long way to explain things like why students are being turned in to 'political weapons', why the majority of the media is left leaning, why political correctness began and what its purpose is, and also why people automatically reject anything that doesn't follow the narratives they've been told. - despite logic and reason that flies in the face of it.
Any way, happy discussions....
Would you say that you personally were biased in any way, or affected by the sources of information that you're exposed to? Or would you say that "you use a wide range of information from all parts of the political spectrum and as a result you're not biased in any way"?This youtube vid (below) briefly covers the worrying trend that we can witness day in and day out within the media and on internet forums and explains why the USA and other western nations currently live in highly charged political atmospheres, whereby many are triggered by the slightest 'off piste' comment that doesn't align to the politically correct regime of modern day restricted speech and thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7CiljQ_LI
Search youtube for ideological subversion and there are many videos on the subject. It goes a long way to explain things like why students are being turned in to 'political weapons', why the majority of the media is left leaning, why political correctness began and what its purpose is, and also why people automatically reject anything that doesn't follow the narratives they've been told. - despite logic and reason that flies in the face of it.
Any way, happy discussions....
Given your references to "left-leaning media", political correctness, and students, would I be right in assuming you were at the extreme right wing of the political spectrum?
Iamnotkloot said:
Teddy Lop]A large part of The problem is this: [report to moderator said:
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, st I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.
I agree with this; we need to be tolerant of others opinions, even if we don’t agree with them (within reason, of course: Tolerating Nazis might be a step too far!)t I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.mybrainhurts said:
Countdown said:
Given your references to "left-leaning media", political correctness, and students, would I be right in assuming you were at the extreme right wing of the political spectrum?
You just revealed yourself as part of the problem.Teddy Lop said:
A large part of The problem is this: [report to moderator]
I notice the thread on "justifictions or reasons for suicide" got pulled. I don't know the exact reason why but we can guess. People get triggered and rather than dial out or try to engage, they need to change everyone elses world to how they think it should be. In this case we actually are in a rising suicide epidemic that quite obviously affects a number of members and talking about it should be encouraged, but due to the fragility of a minority - and i guess a moderation policy of "make problem go away" that is denied.
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, st I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.
I notice the thread on "justifictions or reasons for suicide" got pulled. I don't know the exact reason why but we can guess. People get triggered and rather than dial out or try to engage, they need to change everyone elses world to how they think it should be. In this case we actually are in a rising suicide epidemic that quite obviously affects a number of members and talking about it should be encouraged, but due to the fragility of a minority - and i guess a moderation policy of "make problem go away" that is denied.
There's something about social media that has made people become so fragile and precious. You were allowed to disagree with people on politics, s
t I remember talking up Maggie to my shop steward 20 years ago and it was okay. We chatted and listened to each other's perspective. And still respected each other, it wasn't like I had to caveat my claim, you were allowed to be wrong in another's eyes but still a good person. But now a certain predominant good taste narrative>personal opinion has crept into offline life as well as online, the brainless "ickyfying" of anything off script.
...Spot on, all of it.The world is full of simpering retards who can't think for themselves. It really is sad.
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