PCP Rates on Approved Used - Main Dealers
PCP Rates on Approved Used - Main Dealers
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Yidwann

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1,872 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Been looking at most main dealers at their PCP rates for approved used and most seem to be at 8.9% which is pretty terrible, are they all coercing with each other? I am sure 6.9% was widely available in the past which is slightly easier to stomach, although better than when BMW used to try 10.9% on and didn't even have the courtesy to at least dress up as bandits.

Has anyone in recent times had much success in negotiating on price or APR, any tips?


akadk

1,624 posts

207 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Fca rule change this year means dealers cannot offer different rates to different customers and discriminate and profiteer, so most will not have a fixed rate

Yidwann

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238 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Well thank the FCA for the art of negotiation!

akadk

1,624 posts

207 months

Yidwann

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1,872 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Yeah, I get it that it takes the away the ability for bad salesman to take advantage of people who are not that savvy, just a bit of a pain if you are.

Brett748

977 posts

194 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Toyota are doing 4.9% in franchise dealers at present on approved used.

M4cruiser

5,098 posts

178 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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Yidwann said:
Been looking at most main dealers at their PCP rates for approved used and most seem to be at 8.9% which is pretty terrible, are they all coercing with each other? I am sure 6.9% was widely available in the past which is slightly easier to stomach, although better than when BMW used to try 10.9% on and didn't even have the courtesy to at least dress up as bandits.

Has anyone in recent times had much success in negotiating on price or APR, any tips?
A straightforward good old-fashioned bank loan is cheaper than this at the moment.

TomTheTyke

613 posts

175 months

Saturday 9th January 2021
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M4cruiser said:
A straightforward good old-fashioned bank loan is cheaper than this at the moment.
True in terms of just the interest rate but if, like most people who take out PCP, you don’t intend to pay off the car at the end the higher dealer rate may still be more attractive. You will be financing a lower amount, albeit at a higher rate, and most probably still be paying less each month than a bank loan to drive the same car.

If, however, you intend to pay off in full at the end and keep the car then absolutely a bank loan is much better value. In theory a bank loan also gives you an asset to sell at the end, unlike just walking away from a PCP. But again most people look at their monthly outgoings with mortgage etc, and nothing wrong with that as long as you go into it with your eyes open.

What percentage of people really do understand is a different issue.

Edited by TomTheTyke on Saturday 9th January 18:07

HHZ

109 posts

68 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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I saw 11.9% at a BMW bike dealer today, when I was doing some online browsing. What sort of a numbskull would pay that?

Edited by HHZ on Sunday 10th January 00:08

syl

693 posts

103 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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TomTheTyke said:
True in terms of just the interest rate but if, like most people who take out PCP, you don’t intend to pay off the car at the end the higher dealer rate may still be more attractive. You will be financing a lower amount, albeit at a higher rate, and most probably still be paying less each month than a bank loan to drive the same car.

If, however, you intend to pay off in full at the end and keep the car then absolutely a bank loan is much better value. In theory a bank loan also gives you an asset to sell at the end, unlike just walking away from a PCP. But again most people look at their monthly outgoings with mortgage etc, and nothing wrong with that as long as you go into it with your eyes open.

What percentage of people really do understand is a different issue.
You’re still financing the same amount, but you’re only paying off about half the principal over the term.

You could get a bank loan over 6 years rather than a PCP, then pay off the remainder of the bank loan (by selling the car) at the end of the third year. That would give you a better deal with even lower repayments. The problem arises when you want to borrow over £25/30k - bank loans get more expensive.