GTI or TDI

[ugene425]

How many miles can you get to a tank in both these models, if driven sensibly? The car will be driven a lot in town and with a lot of short journeys (2-3miles). Either model would be a few years old at least.

I am trying to work out which car I should get for work. Mileage I would be doing is going to be approx.12k annually.

Thank you for your help.

[jdizz]

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

[Dave.]

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

[culpz]

You won't really save any money with a diesel at 12k per year and the short journeys may mean you will be clogging up you DPF quickly. Diesels don't do good MPG round town.

The EA888 2.0 TSI engine is actually pretty good on fuel for the performance. I do around 6-8k a year and my commute is a short, 15 minute, mainly-motorway trip. I'm getting around 330 miles per full tank, which is just over £50 quid a go at the moment. Total average long-term reading is 27 MPG, last time i checked.

Get the petrol.

[MC Bodge]

Petrol.

If only for not spewing out the nasty fumes in town from a cold diesel.

[MorganP104]

Dave. said:

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

You're both wrong. He's clearly stuck choosing between a Citroen Visa GTi and an Audi 100 TDi.

Both fine cars, but the Audi has a bigger boot. Hope this helps.

[Mandat]

MorganP104 said:

Dave. said:

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

You're both wrong. He's clearly stuck choosing between a Citroen Visa GTi and an Audi 100 TDi.

Both fine cars, but the Audi has a bigger boot. Hope this helps.

Never mind about the size of the boot, the OP is more interested in the size of the fuel tank.

[MorganP104]

Mandat said:

MorganP104 said:

Dave. said:

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

You're both wrong. He's clearly stuck choosing between a Citroen Visa GTi and an Audi 100 TDi.

Both fine cars, but the Audi has a bigger boot. Hope this helps.

Never mind about the size of the boot, the OP is more interested in the size of the fuel tank.

Many apologies, I was blinded by the incredibly detailed and descriptive thread title, so I stopped reading further.

[ZX10R NIN]

12k & above is the marker but if you're doing 8k but long journeys then a diesel will suit then too, if on the other hand you're doing short journeys then get a petrol.

[Walter Sobchak]

culpz said:

You won't really save any money with a diesel at 12k per year and the short journeys may mean you will be clogging up you DPF quickly. Diesels don't do good MPG round town.



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It also depends on the type of car though, a diesel big 4x4 or saloon is still going to do much better MPG around town than the petrol equivalent, in a case of petrol or diesel in something Golf sized for example and doing urban journeys then petrol every time, it will save no money getting the diesel.

[SlowV6]

MorganP104 said:

Dave. said:

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

You're both wrong. He's clearly stuck choosing between a Citroen Visa GTi and an Audi 100 TDi.

Both fine cars, but the Audi has a bigger boot. Hope this helps.

OP is obviously asking about a Citroen CX GTi vs an Audi Q7 6.0V12 TDI

[bigandclever]

SlowV6 said:

MorganP104 said:

Dave. said:

jdizz said:

205 GTI?
Polo TDI?

Mk5 Escort Gti & Seat Ibiza TDi, Shirley?

You're both wrong. He's clearly stuck choosing between a Citroen Visa GTi and an Audi 100 TDi.

Both fine cars, but the Audi has a bigger boot. Hope this helps.

OP is obviously asking about a Citroen CX GTi vs an Audi Q7 6.0V12 TDI

No, no, no. Rover 25 gti vs VW Phaeton V6 tdi, surely. Definitely go Phaeton just for the boot hinges.

[ugene425]

culpz said:

You won't really save any money with a diesel at 12k per year and the short journeys may mean you will be clogging up you DPF quickly. Diesels don't do good MPG round town.

The EA888 2.0 TSI engine is actually pretty good on fuel for the performance. I do around 6-8k a year and my commute is a short, 15 minute, mainly-motorway trip. I'm getting around 330 miles per full tank, which is just over £50 quid a go at the moment. Total average long-term reading is 27 MPG, last time i checked.

Get the petrol.

Hi, thank you for your comments. Yes the DPF is my concern with diesel and the short journeys. Would getting a petrol gti (mk 6 or 7) be crazy? Again I am not buying this model for boy racer, rather something which has poke as/when needed but largely will be driven sensibly by me Filling up for £60 seems very good indeed, but I doubt that applies with a gti!

Do you know what vw hatches would use the EA888 2.0 TSI engine?

[ugene425]

Walter Sobchak said:

It also depends on the type of car though, a diesel big 4x4 or saloon is still going to do much better MPG around town than the petrol equivalent, in a case of petrol or diesel in something Golf sized for example and doing urban journeys then petrol every time, it will save no money getting the diesel.

Good to know thanks. This would be for a hatchback - such as the golf. So petrol then it seems is the best bet.

[ESD1711]

ugene425 said:

Hi, thank you for your comments. Yes the DPF is my concern with diesel and the short journeys. Would getting a petrol gti (mk 6 or 7) be crazy? Again I am not buying this model for boy racer, rather something which has poke as/when needed but largely will be driven sensibly by me Filling up for £60 seems very good indeed, but I doubt that applies with a gti!

Do you know what vw hatches would use the EA888 2.0 TSI engine?

The cost to fill up is representative of the size of tank and cost of fuel. Nothing else.

GTi and TDi Golfs will most likely have the same size tank, so the only variable in the cost to fill up is the difference in price of petrol and diesel.

[ugene425]

ESD1711 said:

The cost to fill up is representative of the size of tank and cost of fuel. Nothing else.

GTi and TDi Golfs will most likely have the same size tank, so the only variable in the cost to fill up is the difference in price of petrol and diesel.

Thank you. I think the golf has a 50 litre tank, so your looking around £60 for a full tank, approx of course. Driven sensibly I hope you would get 300-330 miles which is not bad for this engine, in comparison to say a 1.6litre petrol.

[culpz]

Walter Sobchak said:

culpz said:

You won't really save any money with a diesel at 12k per year and the short journeys may mean you will be clogging up you DPF quickly. Diesels don't do good MPG round town.



.

It also depends on the type of car though, a diesel big 4x4 or saloon is still going to do much better MPG around town than the petrol equivalent, in a case of petrol or diesel in something Golf sized for example and doing urban journeys then petrol every time, it will save no money getting the diesel.

I wouldn't agree. Fuel savings using diesel are calculated over the long term. Diesel is more expensive than petrol and can be more expensive to maintain, which can offset any marginal difference in MPG. Like i said, diesels do not provide good MPG around town anyway, as that's not what they're made for and take much longer to warm up, as they only do so at consistent speeds. This is where you will run into issues with the DPF, which is another headache and expense to take into account.

[culpz]

ugene425 said:

culpz said:

You won't really save any money with a diesel at 12k per year and the short journeys may mean you will be clogging up you DPF quickly. Diesels don't do good MPG round town.

The EA888 2.0 TSI engine is actually pretty good on fuel for the performance. I do around 6-8k a year and my commute is a short, 15 minute, mainly-motorway trip. I'm getting around 330 miles per full tank, which is just over £50 quid a go at the moment. Total average long-term reading is 27 MPG, last time i checked.

Get the petrol.

Hi, thank you for your comments. Yes the DPF is my concern with diesel and the short journeys. Would getting a petrol gti (mk 6 or 7) be crazy? Again I am not buying this model for boy racer, rather something which has poke as/when needed but largely will be driven sensibly by me Filling up for £60 seems very good indeed, but I doubt that applies with a gti!

Do you know what vw hatches would use the EA888 2.0 TSI engine?

Diesel is simply a way of saving money over the equivalent petrol IF you do the miles to justify it. On the other hand, some people just like diesels, but the modern turbo petrols are very similar anyway, in term of their power delivery, and come with the bonus of being much better to drive. I don't see the point in having a diesel unless you really need one and it does benefit you. In your case, it won't, so there's just no point.

Bear in mind that my car has the same engine as the Golf R, so 300 bhp, so a GTI shouldn't do any worse with it having less power. All sorts of VAG cars use that engine. Most things with the 2.0 TSI are the same engine, but it different states of tune. It's also very reliable and effective, so it's really the one to go for. My Cupra even manages better MPG than my Scirocco did with the same engine but with over 100 bhp more!

[dmsims]

The question should be GTI, TDI or GTE

[MC Bodge]

The diesel fumes at my local high st/shopping centre are awful. I'm sure that very few of the cars chugging about are anywhere near warmed up as almost everybody will. Have driven less than two miles slowly to get there.

The push towards diesel was a mistake.