Do i need to charge vat to EU customers
Do i need to charge vat to EU customers
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tuscrv8

Original Poster:

427 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Many thanks in advance.
We run a small company in the UK , we send small {low value normally under £200} orders using the post office to customers all over Europe.
i have looked on Government websites etc but cant find a definitive answer.
Do i need to carry on charging them vat on the inv or do we now treat them like the rest of the world and zero vat
phil

Poseidon

195 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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No VAT, treat them the same as the rest of the world.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Poseidon said:
No VAT, treat them the same as the rest of the world.
Can you link that instruction to HMRC guidance please?

Poseidon

195 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Eric Mc said:
Can you link that instruction to HMRC guidance please?
Can you link to the HMRC instruction that states we must still charge VAT please?

coppernorks

1,919 posts

63 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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As VAT was a sales tax invented for EU member countries I daresay the UK will abolish it fairly soon.

tuscrv8

Original Poster:

427 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Still not clear.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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coppernorks said:
As VAT was a sales tax invented for EU member countries I daresay the UK will abolish it fairly soon.
I presume you are joking?

VAT is going nowhere. It’s far too lucrative to give up.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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tuscrv8 said:
Still not clear.
Is the correct answer.

Are your customers VAT registered entities in their own country or are the ordinary punters?

chippy348

680 posts

164 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Eric Mc said:
Can you link that instruction to HMRC guidance please?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad

tuscrv8

Original Poster:

427 posts

239 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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mixture of vat registered and normal punters

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

190 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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coppernorks said:
As VAT was a sales tax invented for EU member countries I daresay the UK will abolish it fairly soon.
Dream on.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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chippy348 said:
In theory then, you can Zero rate the sale - but read very carefully the documentation and evidence required.

I would strongly recommend that the OP reads this link and makes sure they understand what they need to do.

Ean218

2,023 posts

267 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Eric,

There isn't much to do, it is identical to selling to customers outside the EU always was. Even easier as the OP is using the post office.

Although the royal Mail distribution depot for the EU at Langley doesn't seem to be sending anything out at present...

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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So, it's all working perfectly then.

RicksAlfas

14,114 posts

261 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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As mentioned it's the same as sending to rest of the world.
Does this help?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches...

VAT is a tax on goods used in the UK and you do not charge VAT if goods are exported from:

Great Britain to a destination outside the UK
Northern Ireland to a destination outside the UK and EU .
You can zero rate the sale, as long as you get and keep evidence of the export, and comply with all other conditions. You must also make sure the goods are exported, and you must get the evidence within 3 months from the time of sale. This can be longer for goods that need processing before export and for thoroughbred racehorses.

The time of sale is the earlier of the day you:

send the goods to your customer
get full payment for them

You must not zero rate sales if your customer asks you to deliver them to a UK address. If the customer arranges to collect them from you (an indirect export), you may be able to zero rate the sale as long as you meet certain zero rating conditions.

classicaholic

2,038 posts

87 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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This exporting to Europe is just getting crazy, we have stuff stuck in customs that are urgent spares that used to get delivered next day, some get through and others are held, all the same paperwork!

HMRC are having a laugh, probably loving all the extra work and saying they need hundreds of extra people for their theifdoms!

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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I honestly don't think HMRC are enjoying this any more than anybody else. They have far fewer people than they had 10 or 20 years ago (about 1/3) so I think they are pretty much overwhelmed these days.

Ean218

2,023 posts

267 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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Eric Mc said:
I honestly don't think HMRC are enjoying this any more than anybody else. They have far fewer people than they had 10 or 20 years ago (about 1/3) so I think they are pretty much overwhelmed these days.
HMRC haven't really got much to do with exporting, the paperwork all gets declared after the event and most of it is online anyway. Its the importing countries that are effing about.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Wednesday 13th January 2021
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They're probably in the same boat.