NHS track trace app - Check in feature
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Can anyone confirm the implication of staff using the Check In feature of the track and trace app?
If all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
If all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
dave-the-diver said:
Can anyone confirm the implication of staff using the Check In feature of the track and trace app?
If all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
From the websiteIf all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01134/en-us?...
NHS said:
When you check in somewhere new, your phone will know you have left the previous venue. It will automatically check you out of your latest venue at midnight.
If it’s identified that people with coronavirus (COVID-19) have been to a venue, it may be decided that anyone who was at that venue on the same date will get an alert.
This alert will tell you that you visited a venue on the same day as people that have tested positive for coronavirus. It will ask you to follow the latest advice on social distancing. It will not tell you to self-isolate.
If it’s identified that people with coronavirus (COVID-19) have been to a venue, it may be decided that anyone who was at that venue on the same date will get an alert.
This alert will tell you that you visited a venue on the same day as people that have tested positive for coronavirus. It will ask you to follow the latest advice on social distancing. It will not tell you to self-isolate.
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NHS said:
How's it decided if I get an alert that I’ve been at the same venue as people with coronavirus (COVID-19)?
If it’s identified that people with coronavirus (COVID-19) have been to a venue, it may be decided that anyone who was at that venue on the same date will get an alert. This is so people know that they may have been at risk and can take particular care with social distancing and look out for any symptoms. The name of the venue will not be revealed. Read more about what this alert will say.
A venue alert is only triggered if certain criteria are met that indicate people may have been exposed to coronavirus when they were there. These have been determined by public health experts. They include the type of venue and the number of coronavirus cases within a certain period. Alerts will generally only be sent for outbreaks that happened in the last 7 days.
Your NHS COVID-19 app will keep information about which venues you've checked into for 21 days. Venue check-ins do not leave your phone. All location matching happens on your phone.
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01213/en-usIf it’s identified that people with coronavirus (COVID-19) have been to a venue, it may be decided that anyone who was at that venue on the same date will get an alert. This is so people know that they may have been at risk and can take particular care with social distancing and look out for any symptoms. The name of the venue will not be revealed. Read more about what this alert will say.
A venue alert is only triggered if certain criteria are met that indicate people may have been exposed to coronavirus when they were there. These have been determined by public health experts. They include the type of venue and the number of coronavirus cases within a certain period. Alerts will generally only be sent for outbreaks that happened in the last 7 days.
Your NHS COVID-19 app will keep information about which venues you've checked into for 21 days. Venue check-ins do not leave your phone. All location matching happens on your phone.
DaveH23 said:
Hasn't the app been proven to be totally useless?
I've always thought that without a checkout facility it is useless. I had to use it when my son played football on Saturday mornings before this lockdown and you had to check in on arrival. If I checked in for a 09:00 game and left at 11:00 and someone who was infected turned up for a 12:00 game the app would think I'm still there and tell me to quarantine. It says that the app knows you have left a venue when you check in somewhere else but you don't check into home when you get there.Seems like a bit of a blunt instrument to me.
NHS said:
When you check in somewhere new, your phone will know you have left the previous venue. It will automatically check you out of your latest venue at midnight.
If it’s identified that people with coronavirus (COVID-19) have been to a venue, it may be decided that anyone who was at that venue on the same date will get an alert.
This alert will tell you that you visited a venue on the same day as people that have tested positive for coronavirus. It will ask you to follow the latest advice on social distancing. It will not tell you to self-isolate.
dave-the-diver said:
Can anyone confirm the implication of staff using the Check In feature of the track and trace app?
If all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
The advice given by most employees is that, to avoid exactly this sort of problem, to ensure that the tracking app is switched off when at work or when phones are left in lockers. If all staff check in via the QR code we have generated every day, then any one member of staff gets symptoms and subsequently tests positive, will the app assume that anyone who has checked into the same venue (business) has been in close contact, and require them to isolate?
I ask as 3 staff have had a “close contact” ping today, yet they work in very different parts of the plant, and we can’t see that they have any shared contacts.
If the scenario in paragraph 2 is correct, it seems a pretty blunt tool for a large plant with a distributed workforce.
You should be dealing with the safety of your teams by:
1. Social distancing
2. PPE
3. Risk assessments
If then anyone is diagnosed as positive, this information should be what you need to manage self isolation of potential contacts. The app can’t do all of the above (and in fact H&S law effectively required you to be taking these steps).
If anyone does test positive, then they or you as the employer may be contacted by Test and Trace health protection team who will have been given a list of names of close contacts. They will be expected to self isolate.
It’s worth also getting yourself up to speed on what the HPTs will accept in terms of social distancing and PPE (varies by work environment).
DaveH23 said:
Hasn't the app been proven to be totally useless?
I'd have to concur with this. I've been using it for a while now. Usually check in to most places (although not everywhere). I also check in at my sons footie. So I checked in on the 30th Dec and app pinged me that I'd been in contact and needed to self isolate for 3 days.So I went into the app and it said Bluetooth contact was on 22nd Dec. I know I hadn't checked in to the two places I'd been. Screwfix and then Sainsbury's.
At no time had been in 2m contact with anyone for 15mins, so all very odd.
Also from 22nd to 30th Dec I could've had contact with people not knowing I might've been infected ( I wasn't in contact as I'm following contact rules etc and also part of Covid survey so getting swabbed monthly.
dundarach said:
I'm staggered anyone is still using it....
I have to admit I gave up on it after a similar incident to mentioned above, didn't ping up to isolate or anything and just happened to go the app to find out "you have 3 days left to isolate" bit pointless by then surely. Had I not gone on the app I'd be none the wiser.Turns out the data from scanning the QR codes was hardly used anyway:
https://news.sky.com/story/test-and-trace-barely-u...
Only cost us £22bn
https://news.sky.com/story/test-and-trace-barely-u...
Only cost us £22bn
hyperblue said:
Turns out the data from scanning the QR codes was hardly used anyway:
https://news.sky.com/story/test-and-trace-barely-u...
Only cost us £22bn
The App cost £40m to develop, I'm not sure QR code scanning cost £22bn.https://news.sky.com/story/test-and-trace-barely-u...
Only cost us £22bn
You should start writing for the Daily Mail.
Smiljan said:
The App cost £40m to develop, I'm not sure QR code scanning cost £22bn.
You should start writing for the Daily Mail.
I’m very glad it wasn’t 22bn because that would have been clearly taking this pi55. You should start writing for the Daily Mail.
But equally, at 40m seems a lot for something, a bit limited. A top computer game budget is 250m usd... says the internet and that was a 5 year project for gta
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