When "Life" means 6 years.....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55707342
Seems to me we will spend about 40 years with a team watching this guy round the clock, just in case the parole board is wrong that he has been completely turned around in 6 years from wanting to behead people.
Laughable, we are utter f
king mugs in the UK
Seems to me we will spend about 40 years with a team watching this guy round the clock, just in case the parole board is wrong that he has been completely turned around in 6 years from wanting to behead people.
Laughable, we are utter f
king mugs in the UK 14. Planning a beheading. For jihad.
It's possible this young man is naturally that sadistic, but I suspect it is far more likely he was groomed, and led to such extremism by those who sought to exploit his impressionable youthfulness.
6 years of growth, at a time when one grows and matures at such a fast rate, and with appropriate support, is more than enough for one groomed in such a way to realise how they were used, and how its affected them.
I might be quite idealistic, but I believe that it is possible for those who do wrong to reform, and feel life long guilt for what they did.
It's possible this young man is naturally that sadistic, but I suspect it is far more likely he was groomed, and led to such extremism by those who sought to exploit his impressionable youthfulness.
6 years of growth, at a time when one grows and matures at such a fast rate, and with appropriate support, is more than enough for one groomed in such a way to realise how they were used, and how its affected them.
I might be quite idealistic, but I believe that it is possible for those who do wrong to reform, and feel life long guilt for what they did.
Rivenink said:
14. Planning a beheading. For jihad.
It's possible this young man is naturally that sadistic, but I suspect it is far more likely he was groomed, and led to such extremism by those who sought to exploit his impressionable youthfulness.
6 years of growth, at a time when one grows and matures at such a fast rate, and with appropriate support, is more than enough for one groomed in such a way to realise how they were used, and how its affected them.
I might be quite idealistic, but I believe that it is possible for those who do wrong to reform, and feel life long guilt for what they did.
Fair comment but it comes down to whether he got that support in prison and how much you trust the judgement of a parole board.It's possible this young man is naturally that sadistic, but I suspect it is far more likely he was groomed, and led to such extremism by those who sought to exploit his impressionable youthfulness.
6 years of growth, at a time when one grows and matures at such a fast rate, and with appropriate support, is more than enough for one groomed in such a way to realise how they were used, and how its affected them.
I might be quite idealistic, but I believe that it is possible for those who do wrong to reform, and feel life long guilt for what they did.
As has been said already, someone could pay with their life for errors here.
Lincsls1 said:
I might not be entirely the same person as I was when 14, but I still knew the difference between right and wrong.
Ridiculous situation, and as said above he'll probably take another life.
He hasn't taken any lives as far as I am aware. He obviously knew the difference between right and wrong or he wouldn't have been found guilty. Ridiculous situation, and as said above he'll probably take another life.
I'm generally of the "Hang 'em and flog 'em" persuasion but in this case I think it's quite likely that he's fit for release given his age at the time of the offending.
We need to remember it's important to keep these situations happening...
Very much like toothpaste, if they gave us the good stuff all at once, how the F would they keep making it better - how?
Without this promising footballing academic being released, how then could more lessons be learned in the future eh, how?
Just remember toothpaste!
Very much like toothpaste, if they gave us the good stuff all at once, how the F would they keep making it better - how?
Without this promising footballing academic being released, how then could more lessons be learned in the future eh, how?
Just remember toothpaste!
Tom Logan said:
La Liga said:
What are you expecting? A 14 year old being in prison until they die?
Better that than him being released and going on a knife spree.Parole boards are not noted for being particularly effective.
Have you seen The Shawshank Redemption?
No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
La Liga said:
ccording to the media or based on some actual evidence / experience?
No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
How many criminals have satisfied the parole board, been released, and have gone on to commit serious offences?No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
What's a parole board to do ?
While in prison this person has been a model prisoner, a veritable snuggle-bunny of niceness and polite helpfulness.
He has shaken off this childish terrorism beastliness and has knuckled down to hard work, and has now
passed 6 highers and earned a diploma in Food Handling and Hygiene.
Course they have no other option than to parole him, it does grate with people that a " Life "
sentence is subject, even with good behaviour and all that ste, to being reduced to a mere
third of the accepted term length.
While in prison this person has been a model prisoner, a veritable snuggle-bunny of niceness and polite helpfulness.
He has shaken off this childish terrorism beastliness and has knuckled down to hard work, and has now
passed 6 highers and earned a diploma in Food Handling and Hygiene.
Course they have no other option than to parole him, it does grate with people that a " Life "
sentence is subject, even with good behaviour and all that s
te, to being reduced to a mere third of the accepted term length.
ReverendCounter said:
La Liga said:
ccording to the media or based on some actual evidence / experience?
No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
How many criminals have satisfied the parole board, been released, and have gone on to commit serious offences?No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
But that's inherent in dealing with risk. If you release a 100,000 people who all, in theory, present 0.1% risk of committing a serious offence, then it's inevitable some will.
La Liga said:
ReverendCounter said:
La Liga said:
ccording to the media or based on some actual evidence / experience?
No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
How many criminals have satisfied the parole board, been released, and have gone on to commit serious offences?No one here has access to the information that would allow us to make an informed judgement.
The evidence of rehabilitation / maturity may be overwhelming for all we know.
But that's inherent in dealing with risk. If you release a 100,000 people who all, in theory, present 0.1% risk of committing a serious offence, then it's inevitable some will.
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