911.2 GTS or Ferrari Cali 30 as DD?

[Centrente]

I posted in another thread about whether to choose a 991 Turbo or GTS as a DD. Having read the replies (thank you) and driven a couple of cars prior to the latest lockdown, I have settled on GTS.

My wife now points out that we could get a 2013 Ferrari California 30 for the same price as a 991.2 GTS (around 80k). She prefers the Ferrari.

I am tempted by this, but also know that I’ll be the one calling the recovery services and dealing with the dealer if the DSG goes wrong or the roof leaks or whatever. (I have a couple of Ferraris already but they are coddled as weekend drives, in garages. This car will be parked in the street.)

The car would be used for daily driver duties. Shopping, visiting relatives, picking up one of the kids and a friend from parties (when they happen again) and so on.

Does anyone here/has anyone here own/owned both? Any advice? I know this is a Porsche forum but that’s where I am tending decision wise. As a daily I would feel much safer with a three-year-old German car than an eight-year-old Italian.

[2010spy]

I love my GTS as a daily driver because it costs next-to-nothing to run, insure and maintain. And every day it just works - four seats for ferrying kids about, loads of space for shopping and very comfortable (Alcantara makes it a very special place to spend time).

[Royal Jelly]

No experience of either, but I’d assume it would depend on your propensity to deal with (most likely fairly pricey) maintenance. I don’t know about Ferrari, but the Porsche will come from a main dealer with 2 years of warranty, or if you purchase independently, you can obtain one.

It’s a fair assumption that the Cali will be a bit more special - although it sounds like you’ve got that base covered - but it’s likely to throw up some chunky bills with daily use. It’s probably also fair to say that the 991 will just get on with it, and it’s quite likely it won’t cost a penny outside of consumables.

I think the 991 makes for a very strong daily proposition, especially as you’ve got some Italian fun in waiting, for when the mood takes you.

[Tonyscars30]

I considered a Cali as a DD but also settled on a 991.2 GTS (which I recently changed for a 991.2 Turbo S just before Christmas.)

So no experience of running a Cali, but all my 911 have been faultless and make excellent DD.

My biased vote goes 911.

[Dr S]

Have you driven the Cali? Worth doing before making a decision as it is definitively not a "driver's car".

[ClioTrophy55]

If you're particularly tall (or even averagely so) then don't go near a Ferrari Cali as you wont fit in it.
I'm 6' 6" and my 991.2 GTS has seen me through 2 NC500 trips in comfort. As a DD it is fantastic.

[Centrente]

Thank you for the replies. Yes I have driven both quite extensively (and I am 5’10” so do fit in the Cali). I enjoyed driving them both, although they are quite different. The California is quite specification sensitive, a 30 with HS is different to and much better than an early car, I found.

You have reinforced my direction for the GTS..now it’s a question of finding a decent one (991.2 GTS Cabrio) in the right colour and spec before another idea comes along. Rather slim pickings out there right now..

[Centrente]

Something I am observing is that 991.2 GTS and 991.2 S are pretty much being offered at the same prices in the 80s (mainly]. No real delta between the two, unlike 991.1 or 997 GTS vs S. Why would this be...?

[beanoir]

Centrente said:

Something I am observing is that 991.2 GTS and 991.2 S are pretty much being offered at the same prices in the 80s (mainly]. No real delta between the two, unlike 991.1 or 997 GTS vs S. Why would this be...?

991.1 GTS is the last NA Carrera, it feels a whole lot more special car than its Carrera cousins of the same age, and the noise it makes is absolutely epic. There are never that many for sale either, maybe c.8 available in December.

The 991.2 GTS is a better daily driver, easier with the torque of the turbo 3.0 engine, but just loses that special feeling and doesn’t hit the right notes. You don’t get the same pleasure or reward from having to actually drive them like you do the previous cars.

It depends what you want, both good cars but the enthusiasts choice is the 991.1 GTS and that’s why prices are really quite strong.

Incidentally, the same is also true of the Cayman GTS models, earlier NA cars more sought after than the 718 GTS and prices now reflect that.

Edited by beanoir on Friday 22 January 07:06

[beanoir]

Centrente said:

Something I am observing is that 991.2 GTS and 991.2 S are pretty much being offered at the same prices in the 80s (mainly]. No real delta between the two, unlike 991.1 or 997 GTS vs S. Why would this be...?

991.1 GTS is the last NA Carrera, it feels a whole lot more special car than its Carrera cousins of the same age, and the noise it makes is absolutely epic. There are never that many for sale either, maybe c.8 available in December.

The 991.2 GTS is a better daily driver, easier with the torque of the turbo 3.0 engine, but just loses that special feeling and doesn’t hit the right notes. You don’t get the same pleasure or reward from having to actually drive them like you do the previous cars.

It depends what you want, both good cars but the enthusiasts choice is the 991.1 GTS and that’s why prices are really quite strong.

Incidentally, the same is also true of the Cayman GTS models, earlier NA cars more sought after than the 718 GTS and prices now reflect that.

Edited by beanoir on Saturday 23 January 08:58

[harry76]

Have you just answered a completely different question 👀

[987Monkey]

harry76 said:

Have you just answered a completely different question ??

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[Centrente]

Ok thank you, interesting. It sounds like 991.2 GTS is not as different to S and other models as 991.1 GTS was..?

[GTRene]

It seems that the 911.2 GTS is very fast around the Nürburgring with 'just' 450ps in just 7.23sec... that's incredible.

see here at number 41 (all cars not filtered)

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

[richterswil]

I have owner bias but even so I think it is fair to say the GTS model is pretty distinct from the equivalent generation Carrera S even if there are differences between GTS generations.

A 991.1 GTS is clearly different to a 991.2 GTS - the engine fundamentally so. Doesn’t mean the 991.2 GTS isn’t a different car to a 991.2 S. Not better to all eyes but different.

Edited by richterswil on Sunday 24th January 09:09

[Beaver]

I have a California 30 with HS, and have had a few 911s.

The 911 will unsurprisingly be a safer bet as a DD, but misses the specialness of the Ferrari I think.
My 30 has lived on my drive in London, no issues with using it everyday - I bought an approved used car so have the warranty for peace of mind.

I even put my 4 year old in a car seat that fits nicely in the back.

I used to dislike the shape but find it beautiful and elegant now, the sound is of course fantastic.

Sadly although I haven't had it that long I'm selling as I just don't have any time to enjoy it.

[dvshannow]

Maybe an e92 m3 would be a bit less attention grabbing and still a fun daily and more useable than either

What stereo does the Cali come with? The Bm stereo in the 991 is prob one of the better in car systems doubt a 7yo Ferrari has something comparable - though it will sound good (but also a bit too look at me when you may not want that)

[Cheib]

Centrente said:

Something I am observing is that 991.2 GTS and 991.2 S are pretty much being offered at the same prices in the 80s (mainly]. No real delta between the two, unlike 991.1 or 997 GTS vs S. Why would this be...?

They made a lot more 991.2 GTS’s than S’s would be my bet. From when they released the Carrera T pretty much the only 991.2’s OPC’s had allocation slots for were GTS’s and T’s. After GPF’s were introduced in summer 2018 the only 991.2 sold was the Carrera 4 GTS.

[Fokker]

Centrente said:

Ok thank you, interesting. It sounds like 991.2 GTS is not as different to S and other models as 991.1 GTS was..?

I have had both 991.1 and still have a 991.2.

The 991.1 sounds lovely, a reall howl although it is a sound symposer and not induction apparently. The 991.2 actually sounds pretty good i think and its all engine and not synthetic.

The performance difference between the two is much more than the 30 hp would suggest. Its a very quick car and if dyno'd I would bet probably closer to 475 or more hp. Has anyone dynode one?

Great daily, its the only 911 I have actually decided to keep long term and to me that says quite a lot. Some of that is due to its practicality having 4 seat but its the overall package. A usable daily 911 with a little edge. It strikes a good balance.

One thing on the GTS difference to a cooking S is that its a harder more sporty ride. The car feels faster and more driver focused. To me its just the perfect all rounder.

happy hunting

[dvshannow]

Cheib said:

Centrente said:

Something I am observing is that 991.2 GTS and 991.2 S are pretty much being offered at the same prices in the 80s (mainly]. No real delta between the two, unlike 991.1 or 997 GTS vs S. Why would this be...?

They made a lot more 991.2 GTS’s than S’s would be my bet. From when they released the Carrera T pretty much the only 991.2’s OPC’s had allocation slots for were GTS’s and T’s. After GPF’s were introduced in summer 2018 the only 991.2 sold was the Carrera 4 GTS.

Not sure not seen this but you would have to be pretty mad to pay close to GTS money for a similarly speccd S