Police get Fingerprint Readers
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[big][b]Police patrol cars get mobile fingerprint readers[/big][/b]
From Silicon.com:
[b]Drivers' digits scanned as part of automatic number plate checks[/b]...
Police patrol cars in Northamptonshire are being fitted with mobile fingerprint readers as part of a trial that could pave the way for the technology to be rolled out across all UK police forces.
Northamptonshire Police are using the mobile fingerprint readers to help identify drivers pulled over during automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) checks. ANPR captures passing vehicles' number plates and checks them against the Police National Computer to spot any suspect vehicles.
As part of the trial, motorists who have been pulled over after their vehicle has been flagged up by an ANPR check are currently being asked to volunteer to have their fingerprints taken at the roadside.
The police officers use a handheld biometric fingerprint reader that is connected to a mobile data terminal fitted in the patrol car. This then runs a check against the national police fingerprint database.
The demonstrator model piloted by Northamptonshire police uses GPRS but the national Police IT Organisation (PITO) is looking for forces to trial it over Airwave: the emergency and public safety services digital radio network.
The trial has suffered from some technical problems, however, and plans for a wider rollout have also been delayed by a PITO funding shortfall for national police IT schemes. PITO said the results of the trial will be fed into a business case for a national mobile fingerprint reading system.
A spokeswoman for Northamptonshire police told silicon.com: "The trial is ongoing and it will be rolled out. It is something we are committed to." END
[i]So, given the unreliability of DVLA data, I wonder if the "need" to fingerprint drivers will become a regular occurrence. Big brother continues to creep up on us bit by bit...[/i]
From Silicon.com:
[b]Drivers' digits scanned as part of automatic number plate checks[/b]...
Police patrol cars in Northamptonshire are being fitted with mobile fingerprint readers as part of a trial that could pave the way for the technology to be rolled out across all UK police forces.
Northamptonshire Police are using the mobile fingerprint readers to help identify drivers pulled over during automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) checks. ANPR captures passing vehicles' number plates and checks them against the Police National Computer to spot any suspect vehicles.
As part of the trial, motorists who have been pulled over after their vehicle has been flagged up by an ANPR check are currently being asked to volunteer to have their fingerprints taken at the roadside.
The police officers use a handheld biometric fingerprint reader that is connected to a mobile data terminal fitted in the patrol car. This then runs a check against the national police fingerprint database.
The demonstrator model piloted by Northamptonshire police uses GPRS but the national Police IT Organisation (PITO) is looking for forces to trial it over Airwave: the emergency and public safety services digital radio network.
The trial has suffered from some technical problems, however, and plans for a wider rollout have also been delayed by a PITO funding shortfall for national police IT schemes. PITO said the results of the trial will be fed into a business case for a national mobile fingerprint reading system.
A spokeswoman for Northamptonshire police told silicon.com: "The trial is ongoing and it will be rolled out. It is something we are committed to." END
[i]So, given the unreliability of DVLA data, I wonder if the "need" to fingerprint drivers will become a regular occurrence. Big brother continues to creep up on us bit by bit...[/i]
As part of the trial, motorists who have been pulled over after their vehicle has been flagged up by an ANPR check are currently being asked to volunteer to have their fingerprints taken at the roadside
How convienient. Wonder if it can read prints when it's stuck up a bobbys arse!! Because that's where it belongs.
MoJo.
How convienient. Wonder if it can read prints when it's stuck up a bobbys arse!! Because that's where it belongs.
MoJo.
gemini said:
and so to point out the fact your innocent you say ok - take them - not guilty - thanks officer Ill be on my way
Whats the harm?
Sad isnt it? I now feel more threatened and "in fear" than at any other time i can remember, by the very people who are supposed to be our protectors (cops and the state they now work for)and who pose a greater threat to all of us than any of the criminals currently running amok while said cops chase speeders as a priority.....
Ps, your point Gem: Innocence is presumed in law, not guilt mate, thats the HARM by giving prints, as it implies im guilty and somehow need to PROVE that innocence.
This is a good thing. We all complain about the unlicensed/uninsured on our roads. We all complain about the chavs who fail to appear at Court at stick two fingers up to the law abiding majority. The 'Do-as-you-likeys' who give crap details, never to be seen again.
This is one way of the evil-dooers volunteering the FPs in order to satisfy the BiB WHO they are are, and avoid getting nicked.
I've never been pulled over in an ANPR operation. Why? My car is legal: registered to me, insured by me, taxed, roadworthy, not being used in crime. It is only people whose cars are not "legit" who face being pulled. Of course, no database is perfect, but in 10 years of Policing I have never arrested a motorist who turned out to be totally innocent, not commiting any offences etc...
This is one way of the evil-dooers volunteering the FPs in order to satisfy the BiB WHO they are are, and avoid getting nicked.
I've never been pulled over in an ANPR operation. Why? My car is legal: registered to me, insured by me, taxed, roadworthy, not being used in crime. It is only people whose cars are not "legit" who face being pulled. Of course, no database is perfect, but in 10 years of Policing I have never arrested a motorist who turned out to be totally innocent, not commiting any offences etc...
gemini said:
How short sighted! 
So criminals who give false details should just get away with it then?
Jeez - some people!
I thought the Police were spectacularly short of money ; this is what they always are whining about where I live (coupled with demands for massive funding increases, needless to say).
But if a BiB cannot establish a persons identify, then surely further checks will be made?
Having never been fingerprinted, my prints are not on the fingerprint database. - How does taking my prints make it easier for the police to identify me?
And if I do permit my fingerprints to be taken, will they be added to the fingerprint database? If so, it sounds like all they are interested in doing is populating the database.
Having never been fingerprinted, my prints are not on the fingerprint database. - How does taking my prints make it easier for the police to identify me?
And if I do permit my fingerprints to be taken, will they be added to the fingerprint database? If so, it sounds like all they are interested in doing is populating the database.
deltafox said:
Sad isnt it? I now feel more threatened and "in fear" than at any other time i can remember, by the very people who are supposed to be our protectors (cops and the state they now work for)and who pose a greater threat to all of us than any of the criminals currently running amok while said cops chase speeders as a priority.....
Ps, your point Gem: Innocence is presumed in law, not guilt mate, thats the HARM by giving prints, as it implies im guilty and somehow need to PROVE that innocence.
I agree 100%. Forget the IRA, WMD, terrorists etc, they are nothing compared to our own politicians and police.
gemini said:
and so to point out the fact your innocent you say ok - take them - not guilty - thanks officer Ill be on my way
Whats the harm?
See my post further up. How does my providing my fingerprint for checking against a database that I am not on, help to identify me?
Or would I be being checked against the great unsolved crimes database?
>> Edited by volvos70t5 on Tuesday 5th July 19:42
volvos70t5 said:
gemini said:
and so to point out the fact your innocent you say ok - take them - not guilty - thanks officer Ill be on my way
Whats the harm?
See my post further up. How does my providing my fingerprint for checking against a database that I am not on, help to identify me?
Or would I be being checked against the great unsolved crimes database?
Not to mention what is the accuracy of this equipment in comparing dabs taken at roadside with those on crime records. ?? How many points of comparison?
Have some people been watching too many episodes of CSI Las Vegas/ Miami/ bla bla bla. I think we should be told.
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Tuesday 5th July 21:27
I don't mind this, provided that:
1) Only dodgy cars are pulled over
2) Fingerprints only taken if police suspicious of identity
3) If no crime committed, fingerprint data deleted from database
How many times do you watch those police programmes where a scrote gives a false name? It must happen all the time, if this device helps lock up the scrotes, and let free the innocent, I'm all for it.
1) Only dodgy cars are pulled over
2) Fingerprints only taken if police suspicious of identity
3) If no crime committed, fingerprint data deleted from database
How many times do you watch those police programmes where a scrote gives a false name? It must happen all the time, if this device helps lock up the scrotes, and let free the innocent, I'm all for it.
Having never been fingerprinted, my prints are not on the fingerprint database. -
Not yet, but this COULD be the thin edge of the wedge...You get stopped and are deemed "suspicous" by officers present and are REQUIRED by law to have prints taken AND recorded............it only takes a change of wording to a document in Parliament.....
Paranoia mode OFF...........
MoJo.
Not yet, but this COULD be the thin edge of the wedge...You get stopped and are deemed "suspicous" by officers present and are REQUIRED by law to have prints taken AND recorded............it only takes a change of wording to a document in Parliament.....
Paranoia mode OFF...........
MoJo.
FFS
I find being compared to the IRA VERY offensive
Please consider why I do my job - It is to help protect the likes of those who post here!
I do not knick speeders - My job involves detecting Real crime!
As for prints
The ones taken are only taken where ID is suspect
They are not held on a database - they are merely chcked against the current database
The ANPR will only ping suspect vehicles
I dont know any friends who have been pulled yet - is that cos they insure their vehicles or dont deal drugs, burgle houses or steal cars?
If it gets the job done and catches the bad guys - you know the ones that you moan about here - "had my car nicked last night - what are the BiB doing about it"?
Those ones!! Then whats the problem?
Some times Im at a lose here with all the conspiracy theorists and general moaning sods who think that any step forward is one back!
I find being compared to the IRA VERY offensive
Please consider why I do my job - It is to help protect the likes of those who post here!
I do not knick speeders - My job involves detecting Real crime!
As for prints
The ones taken are only taken where ID is suspect
They are not held on a database - they are merely chcked against the current database
The ANPR will only ping suspect vehicles
I dont know any friends who have been pulled yet - is that cos they insure their vehicles or dont deal drugs, burgle houses or steal cars?
If it gets the job done and catches the bad guys - you know the ones that you moan about here - "had my car nicked last night - what are the BiB doing about it"?
Those ones!! Then whats the problem?
Some times Im at a lose here with all the conspiracy theorists and general moaning sods who think that any step forward is one back!
xxplod said:
I've never been pulled over in an ANPR operation. Why? My car is legal: registered to me, insured by me, taxed, roadworthy, not being used in crime. It is only people whose cars are not "legit" who face being pulled. Of course, no database is perfect, but in 10 years of Policing I have never arrested a motorist who turned out to be totally innocent, not commiting any offences etc...
Until you plate gets cloned then you have to prove your innocence, not so easy I assume
parrot of doom said:
I don't mind this, provided that:
1) Only dodgy cars are pulled over
2) Fingerprints only taken if police suspicious of identity
3) If no crime committed, fingerprint data deleted from database
How many times do you watch those police programmes where a scrote gives a false name? It must happen all the time, if this device helps lock up the scrotes, and let free the innocent, I'm all for it.
The police can take fingerprints and DNA from anyone suspected of a crime, and no they are not deleted if no crime is commited. They are kept forever. Further in the case of DNA it is not just the "DNA sequence" that is kept but the actual sample the DNA came from. So in time they can run further checks on it as new technologies become available.
And yes it has been tested in court and judged to be legal
Welcome to SS GB
>> Edited by bluepolarbear on Tuesday 5th July 22:15
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