Lottery agreement legal status
Discussion
A good friend of mine promised me, and I have it in writing on WhatsApp (and printed out in both safes plus on the cloud), that should he win Euromillions (which he plays via DD) that he would buy me any car of my choice. Which would be a Ferrari F8 in silver.
I’m sure he’d follow through but I was wondering. In a hypothetical situation where he wins but back tracks on the agreement, can I legally hold him to it? You might say it would ruin our friendship but if he refused me the car he’d be dead to me anyway. More concerned with the legalities than morality please
I’m sure he’d follow through but I was wondering. In a hypothetical situation where he wins but back tracks on the agreement, can I legally hold him to it? You might say it would ruin our friendship but if he refused me the car he’d be dead to me anyway. More concerned with the legalities than morality please
BertBert said:
Is there any consideration? If it's just a promise afaik it's not enforceable.
Following the promise the OP needs to bum his way through life and give up his job on the basis he wants to star in YouTubers videos in his forthcoming Ferrari, sell his current car and make no attempt to afford his own good one. Then when* his mate wins the lottery and refuses to buy him a Ferrari he can sue him under promissory estoppel. I am probably legally very wrong!
Oh, *obviously when rather than if.
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A simple promise is not enforceable. For an agreement to form a contract, *both* parties must bring something of value (ie consideration) to the table. In your example, only your friend is offering consideration, so no contract.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consideration
OTOH, if you were to buy your friend a beer, on condition that he buys you a Ferrari if he ever wins the lottery, then you might have an enforceable contract.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consideration
OTOH, if you were to buy your friend a beer, on condition that he buys you a Ferrari if he ever wins the lottery, then you might have an enforceable contract.
jakesmith said:
A good friend of mine promised me, and I have it in writing on WhatsApp (and printed out in both safes plus on the cloud), that should he win Euromillions (which he plays via DD) that he would buy me any car of my choice. Which would be a Ferrari F8 in silver.
I’m sure he’d follow through but I was wondering. In a hypothetical situation where he wins but back tracks on the agreement, can I legally hold him to it? You might say it would ruin our friendship but if he refused me the car he’d be dead to me anyway. More concerned with the legalities than morality please
I’m sure he’d follow through but I was wondering. In a hypothetical situation where he wins but back tracks on the agreement, can I legally hold him to it? You might say it would ruin our friendship but if he refused me the car he’d be dead to me anyway. More concerned with the legalities than morality please
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Aretnap said:
A simple promise is not enforceable
As a principle, incorrect. See estoppel.Ok so we had kids first and gave them all the old baby gear for both kids - they must have had at least £500 if not £1000 worth of kit and clothing off us.
If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
jakesmith said:
Ok so we had kids first and gave them all the old baby gear for both kids - they must have had at least £500 if not £1000 worth of kit and clothing off us.
If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
Not sure if you are extremely bored, or whether you are just being deliberately provocative, but you're not coming across as a particularly nice person.If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
The following only applies if you're being serious - but there is nothing in what you've posted to indicate you're joking.
You're talking about a massively unlikely scenario - but you still want to lock it down and make it legally enforceable.
This person is, apparently, a friend of yours. You gave them your baby gear, which is a pretty normal thing for friends to do, and now you're trying to use that as leverage for something that probably won't happen.
Imagine if your "friend" were to read this thread - and he then realises that the baby gear wasn't in fact a gift, and there are now strings attached.
jakesmith said:
Ok so we had kids first and gave them all the old baby gear for both kids - they must have had at least £500 if not £1000 worth of kit and clothing off us.
If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
WTF.If I draw up a basic letter saying it t was our pleasure to give them all the baby gear and in exchange they agree that if they win multiple millions I can pick a car.
Then I can set a sliding scale so my car can cost up to 1% of their win. So if they win £100k I can put a new set of tyres on my R8, if they win £10m I can get a Maserati GT MC Stradalle or AMG GT or Ferrari California, and if they win £100m I can get an F40 or CGT or something like that.
Maybe something along those lines?
Re the ‘dead to me’ comment, I am a man of my word and sticking to agreements is v. Important to me! I always do it.
After reading this, I find it hard to believe you have any friends let alone a goo done.
I can't see how you could retrospectively use secondhand child rearing crap as consideration in your weird attempt to get something out of your lottery winning friend.
I bet people would never hear the end of it if you got them a drink at the pub.
I've told my friends that if I win the jackpot on either the National or Euromillions lottery then I will 'sort them out'.
Now, depending on whether they've become closer or more distant friends in the meantime, and how obnoxious they become when they find out I've won, the 'sorting out' might be a couple of £mil or a contract on their life
Now, depending on whether they've become closer or more distant friends in the meantime, and how obnoxious they become when they find out I've won, the 'sorting out' might be a couple of £mil or a contract on their life
Speed Badger said:
Does anyone else find it weird that in a matey banter conversation along the lines of ' if I win the lottery mate I'll buy you a car of your choice,' that the OP has then printed out copies of this exchange and put it in 'both' safes?
Pretty sure this is all in jest palGassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff