Speed camera operators told to "Catch more"
Discussion
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/motors/6617722/po...
Well that's interesting - so much for the safety aspect!
Dubious too considering the (real) fines go to central Govt - Backhanders to get people on courses?
Well that's interesting - so much for the safety aspect!
Dubious too considering the (real) fines go to central Govt - Backhanders to get people on courses?
ds up here either.The Mad Monk said:
BlackTails said:
The Mad Monk said:
It's Scotland.
It's the Scottish Sun. The story is about Cheshire Police. You can tell that because the second sentence of the article says so.
But it's still up North!
echazfraz said:
I was sceptical of this article's veracity but this has convinced me its content is 100% true:
Alan Source is an upstanding provider of kosher info and a good friend of mine, I believe him.
Indeed.Alan Source is an upstanding provider of kosher info and a good friend of mine, I believe him.
Couldn't The Scottish Sun put in an FOI request to confirm/deny this rather than relying on an anonymous source?
Countdown said:
echazfraz said:
I was sceptical of this article's veracity but this has convinced me its content is 100% true:
Alan Source is an upstanding provider of kosher info and a good friend of mine, I believe him.
Indeed.Alan Source is an upstanding provider of kosher info and a good friend of mine, I believe him.
Couldn't The Scottish Sun put in an FOI request to confirm/deny this rather than relying on an anonymous source?
- I must say, I am somewhat suspect of the sourcing (You can't expect too much journalistic quality from the sun) Speed camera vans are run by Safety Camera Partnerships where the lead agency is the local authority ... not the Police
The vans are generally operated/owned by the SCP with civilian operators although marked as Police vehicles
The Police will provide the prosecution support for which they receive payment at cost
Fines go straight to central Govt where it can be fed back to LA’s from the centre
Alternative disposals do earn money for the SCP, the Police and the service provider ( often a private company )
It IS in the interest of the SCP to detect low level speed offences where an alternate to prosecution can be offered
The money from the courses can be used for a variety of road safety initiatives, including the purchase of additional enforcement vehicles
The Police receive around £20 for each speed awareness course completed iirc
The above is a generalisation as not every area is the same ( there are a handful of counties that don’t use a SCP ) and I have no idea about Scotland
The bottom line .. there is a financial incentive for certain types of disposal
The vans are generally operated/owned by the SCP with civilian operators although marked as Police vehicles
The Police will provide the prosecution support for which they receive payment at cost
Fines go straight to central Govt where it can be fed back to LA’s from the centre
Alternative disposals do earn money for the SCP, the Police and the service provider ( often a private company )
It IS in the interest of the SCP to detect low level speed offences where an alternate to prosecution can be offered
The money from the courses can be used for a variety of road safety initiatives, including the purchase of additional enforcement vehicles
The Police receive around £20 for each speed awareness course completed iirc
The above is a generalisation as not every area is the same ( there are a handful of counties that don’t use a SCP ) and I have no idea about Scotland
The bottom line .. there is a financial incentive for certain types of disposal
Two things.
There are less people on the road for a year, less revenue, these operations are businesses like councils, and need to make revenue or make people redundant, lay offs etc, so it's no shock to me they are pushing for more fines.
Plus with less people comes more likelihood of people speeding as roads are freer. Easy targets.
Second thing
One thing I researched about camera vans after being done by one in a spot that was utterly free of any danger, was that do NOT have to be placed near the scene of incident as a GATSO or Truvelo does, statics are placed at the scene after a RA is done, incidents check up etc.
A camera van is nearly always just pointed at the 30 sign for maximum profit, this sign could be a mile away form the area where the incidents took place to justify the using of said van, which was my case, the sign was at a roundabout exit, totally free of any danger no paths, junctions, nothing, yet the incident spot was about a mile and a half away.
I have no issue with the notice and course, I was speeding, but I think if people were more aware of how these operate they might notice the "operating in this area" signs a bit more, especially in areas they know well and are aware of incidents spots or dodgy junctions. As the camera will always be put int he most profitable place, NOT near where the incidents took place, where you will probably find peopel speed far less.
There are less people on the road for a year, less revenue, these operations are businesses like councils, and need to make revenue or make people redundant, lay offs etc, so it's no shock to me they are pushing for more fines.
Plus with less people comes more likelihood of people speeding as roads are freer. Easy targets.
Second thing
One thing I researched about camera vans after being done by one in a spot that was utterly free of any danger, was that do NOT have to be placed near the scene of incident as a GATSO or Truvelo does, statics are placed at the scene after a RA is done, incidents check up etc.
A camera van is nearly always just pointed at the 30 sign for maximum profit, this sign could be a mile away form the area where the incidents took place to justify the using of said van, which was my case, the sign was at a roundabout exit, totally free of any danger no paths, junctions, nothing, yet the incident spot was about a mile and a half away.
I have no issue with the notice and course, I was speeding, but I think if people were more aware of how these operate they might notice the "operating in this area" signs a bit more, especially in areas they know well and are aware of incidents spots or dodgy junctions. As the camera will always be put int he most profitable place, NOT near where the incidents took place, where you will probably find peopel speed far less.
klan8456 said:
Is it really that hard to follow the speed limit?
Guess you can choose not to, and pay the tax / fine plus more insurance, if you’d like. Personally, I have better things to spend money on - like track days.
It sounds as though you could do with improving your observation. Like many people I use the limits as a guide, not a law of physics, but it’s not resulted in fines or more expensive insurance.Guess you can choose not to, and pay the tax / fine plus more insurance, if you’d like. Personally, I have better things to spend money on - like track days.
Solocle said:
I think I got speed gunned on Saturday, and despite being 13 mph over the speed limit, I wasn't breaking the law. Because I was on my bicycle 
Gotta admit, though, that positioning was hella sneaky, he was out of view in a flash! The speed limit drops from 70 to 30 at Matalan...
That’s just a panda car, won’t be fitted with any speed detection equipment Gotta admit, though, that positioning was hella sneaky, he was out of view in a flash! The speed limit drops from 70 to 30 at Matalan...
Just parked up out the way waiting for the next pile of poo from the radio
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