Tesla to Taycan?
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I've got a M3P that I've had for almost a year, and I've been very impressed. I can't actually think of anything that has been particularly bad about the car at all and seem to have avoided most of the build quality and reliability issues that get frequently repeated. After watching a video posted by Matt Farah I have to say that I think he's got it spot on, and particularly with a comment that he makes regarding not wanting to run the car long term, more as a disposable item. Anyway, I digress. now that I'm sold on the concept of EV as a daily car I'm planning on ordering a Taycan turbo to replace the Tesla. Who else has made the switch from a Tesla to a Taycan? Any comments? I'm aware that the charging infrastructure is nowhere near as established as Tesla and I'm a little concerned about the range in Taycan.
I would happily chop in our X for a Taycan if could carry the same amount of stuff/people, and you could give me about £30K to make up for the cost to change 
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But more seriously, even with our X having only 150 miles of winter range we've used Supercharges 1 once in the last 12 months, but only you know the value of having Supercharge access is to your car usage, but coming up to 6 years of EV ownership I've realized the value of Tesla Superchargers to me is actually just about zero especially in an EV with a range of 250 miles.
If money was no object I wouldn't think twice about swapping my wifes Lexus Hybrid for a Taycan, but given the Lexus has done 3000 miles this year, cost £10/year road tax, and will never ever break down, even thinking about swapping it for a £80K+ EV is just madness.
Go for the swap, am sure no one here would be jealousy at all......I'm yet to see a Taycan in the work car park, I suspect when the first one appears all of a sudden I wouldn't really care that much about comfort for passengers or luggage space/utility
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.But more seriously, even with our X having only 150 miles of winter range we've used Supercharges 1 once in the last 12 months, but only you know the value of having Supercharge access is to your car usage, but coming up to 6 years of EV ownership I've realized the value of Tesla Superchargers to me is actually just about zero especially in an EV with a range of 250 miles.
If money was no object I wouldn't think twice about swapping my wifes Lexus Hybrid for a Taycan, but given the Lexus has done 3000 miles this year, cost £10/year road tax, and will never ever break down, even thinking about swapping it for a £80K+ EV is just madness.
Go for the swap, am sure no one here would be jealousy at all......I'm yet to see a Taycan in the work car park, I suspect when the first one appears all of a sudden I wouldn't really care that much about comfort for passengers or luggage space/utility
.Hoping to making the jump myself in the next 12 months but looking at the Taycan 4S as more than enough performance + undercuts the Turbo by £20k or so when spec'd like for like on options (a few of which I'd consider non essential anyway).
I expect a far better quality and engineered product, but then at over twice the price for the Taycan Turbo you would bloody hope so?
I expect a far better quality and engineered product, but then at over twice the price for the Taycan Turbo you would bloody hope so?
JD said:
Where will the Audi Etron fit in to the pricing in regards the Taycan?
Will it be a cheaper version of the same thing? if so would set to be a good buy?
It's a strange one really. They plan to release the top of the tree RS-E-tron Coupe first which is going to cost £125k+ yet has less performance than the £115k Taycan Turbo.Will it be a cheaper version of the same thing? if so would set to be a good buy?
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/audi/302883/2021-audi-r...
Not sure why you'd buy the Audi personally?
There are a lot of people here in the US trading from a Tesla to a Taycan. Spoke to the Porsche dealer here a few months ago (sold out of their allocation of Taycan for 8 months!) and asked about what was happening. They were seeing a lot of MS's coming in. High spec, P90D or P100's that are a year or so old, but obviously from people with money to burn on depreciation.
The dealer said they give pretty good money for them, but since they cant (did ask, they didnt say if they were allowed or just decided to not) sell them on from the Porsche dealer itself. So its trade money in and the dealer just punts it out to the trade / auction, where they get good money. Will this last? Not sure, but there are a lot of people with money who want the latest thing and have had several MS's before. Rather than wait for the new MS, they are going Porsche. Interesting.
The dealer I spoke to here (Sacramento area) was sold out for 8 months, but did mention that other dealers in the LA area for example, are sold out for longer! Celebs getting the latest thing. Here in the US, the Taycan has outsold the Panamera! Per unit average sale price is massively higher. Porsche is set for a good year again. The PCA magazine has all of the breakdown of the numbers, but they re-designed it last month, and dropped the sales numbers. Shame, cant give details I am afraid.
The dealer said they give pretty good money for them, but since they cant (did ask, they didnt say if they were allowed or just decided to not) sell them on from the Porsche dealer itself. So its trade money in and the dealer just punts it out to the trade / auction, where they get good money. Will this last? Not sure, but there are a lot of people with money who want the latest thing and have had several MS's before. Rather than wait for the new MS, they are going Porsche. Interesting.
The dealer I spoke to here (Sacramento area) was sold out for 8 months, but did mention that other dealers in the LA area for example, are sold out for longer! Celebs getting the latest thing. Here in the US, the Taycan has outsold the Panamera! Per unit average sale price is massively higher. Porsche is set for a good year again. The PCA magazine has all of the breakdown of the numbers, but they re-designed it last month, and dropped the sales numbers. Shame, cant give details I am afraid.
off_again said:
The dealer said they give pretty good money for them, but since they cant (did ask, they didnt say if they were allowed or just decided to not) sell them on from the Porsche dealer itself. So its trade money in and the dealer just punts it out to the trade / auction, where they get good money. Will this last? Not sure, but there are a lot of people with money who want the latest thing and have had several MS's before. Rather than wait for the new MS, they are going Porsche. Interesting.
One of my friends is like this. Used to have a new BMW every couple of years. Got a model S in 2013 and held on to that for 7 years, as all he could replace it with was another Model S. His kids are a bit older now so he can do with a smaller car so he put in an order for a Taycan.He has very happy with his Model S, despite it being one of the earlier models. He's got well over 350k km on the clock now.
Nothing odd really, variety is the spice of life.
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 5th February 22:22
There has been some talk of Tesla opening up their Superchargers for use by other brands. I suspect that if this were to happen many people like me (Model S Performance) would seriously consider the Taycan etc.
Right now a 200ish miles battery is nowhere near enough for me. I hope Porsche improve this in the near future.
Right now a 200ish miles battery is nowhere near enough for me. I hope Porsche improve this in the near future.
Andy M said:
There has been some talk of Tesla opening up their Superchargers for use by other brands. I suspect that if this were to happen many people like me (Model S Performance) would seriously consider the Taycan etc.
I know they were initially looking for sponsorship from other brands, but there are some things at play here.- Right now, all the chargers are branded "Tesla". So do other brands want to give Tesla this brand recognition?
- It was a massive investment, so you want manufacturers to pay... how much? Not just the infrastructure, but at the same time you loose an USP as well.
- There are no payment terminals as the charger recognizes your car. This also goes through Tesla. As another manufacturer, do you want Tesla to have information about your customer's cars and their charging habits? Data is the new gold.
Andy M said:
Right now a 200ish miles battery is nowhere near enough for me. I hope Porsche improve this in the near future.
In contrast, I and some other EV "converts" now realize that 200ish miles is plenty for our day-to-day, provided you have a charging infrastructure to fall back on a couple times/year.The thing is that in terms of size and practicality, the Taycan is a Model 3 competitor.
It of course has other qualities and I love the fact that it exists. It's a good antidote to the criticism of electrification becoming "much of muchness" in all the cars. Plenty of EV's available, from economy-centered (kia ioniq) to performance-driven (Taycan).
I wonder if other brands are going where Porsche went, but for now they have that piece of the market for themselves!
One of the bigger disappointments for me is the Mazda MX30. Mazda is one of those manufacturers that make some interesting cars that are often fun to drive. The MX30 is just hard to take serious. I'd love to see an EV interpretation of the MX5 for ~35k-40k EUR (the MX5 is 30k).
Edit: carwow did a review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qinXZ7qwAMI&ab...
He recons there's a little less room in the back than in a Model 3, but it's the options list that's the star apparently
The car he had seemed like it was optioned VERY generously. That "70k" Taycan he reviewed is actually 108k GBP.
Edited by ZesPak on Saturday 6th February 19:47
Evening. I’m very fortunate to have both a Model S 75 and a Taycan 4S. Whilst I’ve only done a few miles in the Taycan since I got it in November I’ve done 25000 in the S. We also have some Model 3s at work. The S is a bit different than the 3. It’s bigger for a start.
In simple terms the S is a fantastic everyday car. It’s left outside and is used every work day. The Taycan is in the garage under a cover. It’s a special car to me as it’s the first Porsche I’ve specified to my spec from new. They have almost identical external dimensions yet the Taycan is substantially smaller inside. Ones a motorway cruiser and the other is (big) 4 door sports saloon.
The S is just a brilliant everyday car. As fast as you need and great to drive. Yes it’s not put together very well and it does creak and groan a lot.. The Taycan is just beautifully put together and is in a different class as far as I’m concerned.
But the key question is. Which car would I get in to drive to London and back for business? In my humble opinion that would be the S. The charging infrastructure is just so easy to use. Which car would I take my wife away for a night in a hotel? The Taycan.
In simple terms the S is a fantastic everyday car. It’s left outside and is used every work day. The Taycan is in the garage under a cover. It’s a special car to me as it’s the first Porsche I’ve specified to my spec from new. They have almost identical external dimensions yet the Taycan is substantially smaller inside. Ones a motorway cruiser and the other is (big) 4 door sports saloon.
The S is just a brilliant everyday car. As fast as you need and great to drive. Yes it’s not put together very well and it does creak and groan a lot.. The Taycan is just beautifully put together and is in a different class as far as I’m concerned.
But the key question is. Which car would I get in to drive to London and back for business? In my humble opinion that would be the S. The charging infrastructure is just so easy to use. Which car would I take my wife away for a night in a hotel? The Taycan.
Good question. I think not though. I really think they are aimed at different markets. The Taycan is like a big 992 but just electric. The S is a brilliant big saloon.
I’ve been asked a few times which is the quicker. The S is faster in a straight line off the line but it runs out of power relatively quickly. The Taycan sets off slower but just keeps on going. The steering and suspension are better in the Taycan and it is undoubtedly quicker around the twisty roads we have up here on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border. But (and it is a big but) it’s huge on the outside. It really is too big to go hustling along the country lanes.
The Taycan isn’t really a car for 4 adults to get in and sit in for a few hours whereas the Tesla is. The Taycan is a better place to be for the driver but the S is far better for the passengers.
If I had to choose between the S and the Taycan as the only car then I would pick my Model S Tesla. But I’d always be jealous of the Taycan driver!
I’ve been asked a few times which is the quicker. The S is faster in a straight line off the line but it runs out of power relatively quickly. The Taycan sets off slower but just keeps on going. The steering and suspension are better in the Taycan and it is undoubtedly quicker around the twisty roads we have up here on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border. But (and it is a big but) it’s huge on the outside. It really is too big to go hustling along the country lanes.
The Taycan isn’t really a car for 4 adults to get in and sit in for a few hours whereas the Tesla is. The Taycan is a better place to be for the driver but the S is far better for the passengers.
If I had to choose between the S and the Taycan as the only car then I would pick my Model S Tesla. But I’d always be jealous of the Taycan driver!
Coolmover said:
They have almost identical external dimensions yet the Taycan is substantially smaller inside.
Thanks for that, I didn't realise the Taycan was smaller inside than a S. Having got use to the luxury of space (and the massive windscreen) in the X, the Taycan is sounding outright claustrophobic, there goes any chance of replacing our X with one.......My bank account thanks you . gangzoom said:
Thanks for that, I didn't realise the Taycan was smaller inside than a S.
As I mentioned, it's not even close. As someone with two young kids, it's enough to put me off.I think it was the Carwow guy? that stated it's much more comparable to the Model 3 inside than to the Model S.
To the Model S' credit, it's cavernous though. I came from a Jag XF which, again, has similar outer dimensions, but inside it's a different class.
It is genuinely more of a big 2+2 than a Tesla S competitor. It cocoons you and you almost forget that there are seats behind you. The boot is minute compared to the S as well. There is no way that I would consider a 4 up drive with luggage to the Alps in the Taycan whereas I wouldn’t think twice about taking the S.
It is in a completely different league when it comes to quality. But it is not without its faults since delivery. Mostly technology issues.
It is in a completely different league when it comes to quality. But it is not without its faults since delivery. Mostly technology issues.
Thanks for all of the comments everyone, very helpful, particularly Coolmover as an owner comparison. I'm not surprised that the Taycan feels like a better product than the Tesla having briefly looked at one when my Boxster has been in for servicing, but your views on it as a long distance vehicle is interesting. I would most probably be needing to regularly use public charging (motorway) with the Taycan, and that does slightly concern me. I think I'm going to have to borrow one and see if it'll work for me. Annoyingly I'm mostly sold on the idea of one though, and that means I will consciously and subconsciously play down the obvious drawbacks when compared to a Tesla (range and ease of public charging).
ZesPak said:
gangzoom said:
Thanks for that, I didn't realise the Taycan was smaller inside than a S.
As I mentioned, it's not even close. As someone with two young kids, it's enough to put me off.I think it was the Carwow guy? that stated it's much more comparable to the Model 3 inside than to the Model S.
To the Model S' credit, it's cavernous though. I came from a Jag XF which, again, has similar outer dimensions, but inside it's a different class.
My kids are both in their late teens and tall (6ft) and have never complained in the back of the Tesla, Fortunately they donlt go anywhere with us very often any more and both due to take their driving test at some point so shouldn't be a blocker to taycan ownership.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 9th February 12:02
Coolmover said:
It is genuinely more of a big 2+2 than a Tesla S competitor. It cocoons you and you almost forget that there are seats behind you. The boot is minute compared to the S as well. There is no way that I would consider a 4 up drive with luggage to the Alps in the Taycan whereas I wouldn’t think twice about taking the S.
It is in a completely different league when it comes to quality. But it is not without its faults since delivery. Mostly technology issues.
This is the reason I chose a Model S when I'd have loved a Taycan, Massive boot, loads of leg room for my two 6 ft teenagers and as a business user pretty much total control over charging with a slightly better range. Every time I waver and convince myself that I could live with the saloon and smaller interior, I find myself saying "how would you have got this in with a Taycan?" (massive red rad heater from work to immediately help my in laws when their boiler went and my hydraulic jack for my old mans 2CV so he could underseal it as he's so board, last week alone, for example) It is in a completely different league when it comes to quality. But it is not without its faults since delivery. Mostly technology issues.
The taycan cross turismo will be very tempting though!
The refreshed Model S is far more tempting than the original, with a sharper exterior, new battery chemistry and cooling for more consistent performance in extreme use and a MUCH nicer and more contemporary interior.
The “base” LR model is quicker than all but the Turbo/Turbo S Taycan and with the extra practicality and charging infrastructure seems quite compelling to me. I’ve scheduled a test drive whenever they arrive at the showroom next month.
The “base” LR model is quicker than all but the Turbo/Turbo S Taycan and with the extra practicality and charging infrastructure seems quite compelling to me. I’ve scheduled a test drive whenever they arrive at the showroom next month.
The thing is - I just love the look of it! It may be smaller inside, it may well be less efficient. It may well “feel” slower than the S but it is just special. We mustn’t forget that it is a lot more money than an S let alone a M3P. To get mine to a decent spec (actually to the spec of the S) it took £20k of options!
I’d really struggle to shoehorn any of my “kids” in to the back of the Taycan.
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